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What Makes Tudei Bad?
People Get Sick
For one, people complain that they get nausea and a bad hangover. The native Islanders avoided Tudei kava for this reason and they only used it for ceremonial and medicinal use. It’s hard to argue with the Islanders since they have over 1000 years of experience drinking kava. Needless to say that there are people who can handle tudei and other substances without a problem. However, it appears that they are in the minority and I prefer to learn from the experiences of people who have 1000s of years experience.
Flavokawain B (FKB)
Tudei has 20 times from Flavokawain B than Noble Kava. This FKB has been shown to be toxic to liver cells in large quantities. However, FKB has also proven to have anti-tumor effects. However, just like ChemoTherapy, it will make you very, very sick. So is FKB the main culprit? Can we measure it in a lab?
DHM
It is said that DHM, one of the more potent and sedating kavalactones, can cause Tudei effects. Tudei has been shown to have a high percentage of this kavalactone and thus it may be one of the culprits. Can we test for the presence of that? Well chemo typing does show the percentage of each kavalactone and so the answer is yes. So to @HeadHodge ’s point, the chemotype can be an indicator though it may not be 100 percent correct in all cases.
Acetone Test
Developed by Dr. Lebot. His tests revealed that a known noble kava would turn yellow, a known two day kava would turn orange, and a wild kava brown. However, does this test actually show the chemical makeup of the kava or does it predict that the kava may be high in FKB or DHM? I’m not sure of the answer. It would be nice if someone would invent a test strip that would tell us what percent of each chemical is in our kava. Yeah, like the ones I use for the swimming pool.
Adulterated Kava (blended kava)
When vendors blend Tudei into the kava to make it more potent, then what else do they put in there? At that point, they are capable of anything. Do they add the toxic aerial parts of the kava? Are they actually making a small quantity of Tudei many times more dangerous by furthur adulterating the kava with other crap. Is that why they can sell their kava so cheap?? To me, that’s a big problem. At this point, forget about the dangers of Tudei. Focus on vendors who adulterate their kava because the sky is the limit as far as what they might add to the kava. And do our retail vendors have methods of testing the kava for adulteration? Probably not or they can’t afford it. No, all they can do is scream, ‘I didn’t do it’ when someone gets sick. Well, we know you didn’t do it but do you give a shit.
The Wisdom of the Islanders
So I invite everyone to chip in any scientific research that shows how we can measure the toxins in kava and specifically Tudei. I for one am going to go with the wisdom of the Islanders. They have done kava for 1000s of years and they learned all about kava the hard way. They stayed away from Tudei kava.
People Get Sick
For one, people complain that they get nausea and a bad hangover. The native Islanders avoided Tudei kava for this reason and they only used it for ceremonial and medicinal use. It’s hard to argue with the Islanders since they have over 1000 years of experience drinking kava. Needless to say that there are people who can handle tudei and other substances without a problem. However, it appears that they are in the minority and I prefer to learn from the experiences of people who have 1000s of years experience.
Flavokawain B (FKB)
Tudei has 20 times from Flavokawain B than Noble Kava. This FKB has been shown to be toxic to liver cells in large quantities. However, FKB has also proven to have anti-tumor effects. However, just like ChemoTherapy, it will make you very, very sick. So is FKB the main culprit? Can we measure it in a lab?
DHM
It is said that DHM, one of the more potent and sedating kavalactones, can cause Tudei effects. Tudei has been shown to have a high percentage of this kavalactone and thus it may be one of the culprits. Can we test for the presence of that? Well chemo typing does show the percentage of each kavalactone and so the answer is yes. So to @HeadHodge ’s point, the chemotype can be an indicator though it may not be 100 percent correct in all cases.
Acetone Test
Developed by Dr. Lebot. His tests revealed that a known noble kava would turn yellow, a known two day kava would turn orange, and a wild kava brown. However, does this test actually show the chemical makeup of the kava or does it predict that the kava may be high in FKB or DHM? I’m not sure of the answer. It would be nice if someone would invent a test strip that would tell us what percent of each chemical is in our kava. Yeah, like the ones I use for the swimming pool.
Adulterated Kava (blended kava)
When vendors blend Tudei into the kava to make it more potent, then what else do they put in there? At that point, they are capable of anything. Do they add the toxic aerial parts of the kava? Are they actually making a small quantity of Tudei many times more dangerous by furthur adulterating the kava with other crap. Is that why they can sell their kava so cheap?? To me, that’s a big problem. At this point, forget about the dangers of Tudei. Focus on vendors who adulterate their kava because the sky is the limit as far as what they might add to the kava. And do our retail vendors have methods of testing the kava for adulteration? Probably not or they can’t afford it. No, all they can do is scream, ‘I didn’t do it’ when someone gets sick. Well, we know you didn’t do it but do you give a shit.
The Wisdom of the Islanders
So I invite everyone to chip in any scientific research that shows how we can measure the toxins in kava and specifically Tudei. I for one am going to go with the wisdom of the Islanders. They have done kava for 1000s of years and they learned all about kava the hard way. They stayed away from Tudei kava.
