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26% kavalactones!?

Discussion in 'Unknown Vendor / Product Discussion' started by _byron, Jun 11, 2019.

  1. _byron

    _byron Kava Enthusiast

    Anyone try this kava?

    It doesn't seem to have been sold online yet but its in some Utah stores. Anyway I can't wait to get ahold of some and try it. I have had there tongan and fijian both were pretty good, they were advertised at ~5% and ~8% respectfully. I don't think i have ever even had the opportunity to try something this strong.
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  2. kasa_balavu

    kasa_balavu Yaqona Dina

    Not a chance! Maybe if they only handpicked the thin lateral roots of a very old plant, they might be very lucky to get 16%, but that would be quite rare and thus expensive. 26% is just not possible without maybe mixing in some extracts, and that would again, be quite expensive.
  3. JohnMichael

    JohnMichael Member

    I didn't see it either on their site. The Pure Kava is selling for $35 for 8oz pkg. They microgrind all their that may affect how it works. Interesting to see how it turns out.
  4. _byron

    _byron Kava Enthusiast

    Yeah I figured it must be a extract added. Sounds to good to be true.
  5. _byron

    _byron Kava Enthusiast

    Ok I DM'd them on Instagram. Its $50 a half pound with 7 dollar shipping, and it is not an extract!! Idk I am skeptical but I have ordered some and will definitely make a review might even make it a video...
  6. Bula Kava House

    Bula Kava House Portland, OR Kava Vendor

    We've seen some claims of 20%+ kava:rolleyes:. Nobody has ever been able to back it up. Hard to get kava over 10% right now.
  7. Kapmcrunk

    Kapmcrunk The Kaptain of Crunk KavaForums Founder

    I personally don't buy it but I understand the marketing position of offering something like this. The 26% is straight up a figment of their imagination.

    They do have a kava vending machine, though so that makes up for something. In Salt Lake City, UT no less!
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  8. Krunʞy

    Krunʞy . Admin

    I can see this machine in lime green or w/e the Alu color is. Hey @Kavafied, How about it? :D
  9. Zaphod

    Zaphod Kava Enthusiast

    Saw the same thing on FB. Myself and @Bula Kava House tried to gently tell her she had a bad "test" but since she continued to claim 26%. At some point since she won't listen to reason you have to assume she is just full of it and knows it. I was half tempted to buy it and have it tested myself. The only way it hits 26% is if it is mixed with an extract.
  10. Alia

    Alia 'Awa Grower/Collector

    These posts prompted me to go back and take a look at- Vincent Lebot's- numerous kavalactone % lists from Allertonia- a Series of Occasional Papers .
    Pages 279 and 280 list cultivar KL % from Fiji, Tonga, Samoa, Wallis, Cook Islands, Tahiti, Hawaii, Papua NG. The KL% between 17.30 up to 29.62* (21 cv. in total) consist mostly of what some call today-"Noble" . To really prove this in todays' world one would have to go back and determine method used to test which is detailed on pages 243 and 244. Lebot et. al. Economic Botany paper a few years later showed another Hawaiian cultivar at 20 %. *the 29.62 % is Iwi, which some classify as tudei.
    PS- pages 255- 256 lists Vanuatu cultivars and has 24 clocking in between 17 and 24.11% .
    While I am the last person to think KL% is very important, when looking at the entourage effect of traditional beverage, I point this out as a matter of interesting history.
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  11. Krunʞy

    Krunʞy . Admin

    I very much doubt the product above would even register as tudei, I am pretty sure it is yet another Chinese extract, about as far as away from kava as it gets. The name alone is a red flag. I am inclined to move it to the watchdog forum so people do not waste their $ on these hype type of products.
  12. SelfBiasResistor

    SelfBiasResistor Persist for Resistance!

    That's my thought. The name/marketing is a big red flag. Either extract enhanced or tested with miscalibrated equipment. If it were authentic tudei or isa I'd buy some to use here and there for those days where nothing seems to work for sleep. Only takes a bit...
  13. verticity

    verticity I'm interested in things

    Yeah, I mean there are those extremely high numbers in the literature, so maybe it's theoretically possible, but...

    Examining the pure kava web site there is some self-contradictory information. The kava may be OK, but those percentages are almost certainly exaggerated, and in 2 cases provably so according their own information. For example, they sell a sampler of all their kavas with this copy:


    They say their Tongan Kava is 13%, and their "Premium Fijian" is 10-15%. And for those two they actually posted COAs:

    Their COA for the Tongan says 4.557%, click to enlarge:

    "Premium Fijian": Their own COA says 7.998%.
    premium fijian pure kava.jpg

    So, do I believe the 26%? Unless they produce a COA that says 26%, no, because it seems like their numbers are exaggerated and need to be divided by a factor of two or so to get the real numbers...maybe it really is 13%, which would still be pretty strong..

    [EDIT: Unbeknownst to me when I wrote this, Pure Kava in fact did produce a COA verifying the 26% claim for Island Dope..see Zaphod's post below]
    Last edited: Jun 14, 2019
  14. Zaphod

    Zaphod Kava Enthusiast

    From the FB conversation:

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  15. Alia

    Alia 'Awa Grower/Collector

    To be clear-- I did not mean to imply "Island Dope" was accurate in their claim for this product.
    You point out the contradictions quite well.
    Just that historic research like I quoted is interesting basis for discussion.
  16. _byron

    _byron Kava Enthusiast

    I do not want to start any argument here. I just discovered this kava and was wanting to share my finding. I do believe the kavalactones numbers may be bolstered, but do not think this means that this kava is a "red flag kava". I think new kava companies should stand a chance to get into the kava scene. Sometimes mistakes are made look at past events with other notorious vendors. I am not affiliated with pure kava in anyway but there tongan and fijian have been great kava's to me and will post on the island dope when it arrives tomorrow.
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  17. verticity

    verticity I'm interested in things

    I am surprised, but I did say I would believe their claim if they produced a COA, so there you go..
  18. verticity

    verticity I'm interested in things

    I agree with this. There is no evidence that their kava contains extract or that there is anything wrong with it other than a couple exaggerated claims about percentages. I regret if my post above appeared to be part of a piling on, and believe we should give new vendors a chance..
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  19. Zaphod

    Zaphod Kava Enthusiast

    I agree. They have a COA from what appears to be a valid lab [at least to a layperson the lab seems legit]. However, I think there are still plenty of questions. They also say they do nobility and chemotype testing but I don't see that listed. I would be real interested to see the chemotype or more specifically % of each KL that gets it to that overall high %.
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  20. Kapmcrunk

    Kapmcrunk The Kaptain of Crunk KavaForums Founder

    You could easily add kavalactones to a sample prior to submission, but I highly highly doubt that what's happened here. A new vendor taking that sort of shot would fall flat pretty quickly once everyone realized that the 26% was bunk. I have to agree with the overall opinion here and it's that we only have one bit of disputed information. Heck, the kava might be good. I started a new subforum of which this thread currently resides titled "Unknown Vendor / Product Discussion". It will be for the express purpose of discussions like this on vendors we aren't exactly familiar with.
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