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26% kavalactones!?

Discussion in 'Unknown Vendor / Product Discussion' started by _byron, Jun 11, 2019.

  1. kasa_balavu

    kasa_balavu Yaqona Dina

    Sorry, I just got back from a couple of days on the farm.
    No, I haven't. I'll escalate to a higher-level person next, but it's 5pm on a Friday. Hopefully I get a response next week.
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  2. _byron

    _byron Kava Enthusiast

    Anyone else order and try some yet? I have had a few buckets of it so far and my original review remains true.
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  3. ThePiper

    ThePiper Kava Enthusiast

    I drank the "island dope" as they call it once so far. I thought it was solid. Definitely heavy. Very fine grind. Definitely not 26% though.
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  4. kasa_balavu

    kasa_balavu Yaqona Dina

    I forgot to mention that I spoke to the person in charge of the lab. Basically he said that the reports I showed him aren't official lab results. He didn't specify whether he thinks the documents were doctored by their client or whether they were issued contrary to official procedures (eg. by a crooked employee).

    I got the impression that he was very upset about the whole thing, and he did say they're considering ways to prevent this sort of thing happening again.

    I'm not sure what they can do other than publish the results on their website, but obviously many of their clients will be opposed to this.

    Personally, I reckon the fact that the dates on some of them are MONTH/DAY/YEAR implies that they were doctored in the US, but that the lab can't come right out and blame their client.
    Last edited: Jul 17, 2019
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  5. _byron

    _byron Kava Enthusiast

    Thank you for the in depth research. The numbers being in wrong format really was a big red flag when you pointed it out.

    I actually like there tongan even though its definitely weak. And the island dope is still a heavy and strong kava
    Last edited: Aug 17, 2019
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  6. AlohaAimee

    AlohaAimee Kava Enthusiast

    WOW, thank you for sharing this. This is pretty messed up!
  7. verticity

    verticity I'm interested in things

    It would pretty simple to provide test results in the form of digitally signed PDFs rather than a scanned piece of paper. Of course vendors could still choose not to share it with the public, as is their right not to, but for reputable vendors it could be a selling point to have a certificate that can be proven to be authentic..
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  8. Zaphod

    Zaphod Kava Enthusiast

    If I had to hazard a guess, and this is just conjecture, the vendor probably got conned by a middleman. The vendor was willing to supply COAs and did so quickly, with no real obligation to do so. That said a vendor who is not willing, or is unable to look at a COA that claims such a high percentage, and not begin to question it is not a vendor I would want to get my kava from. I still think testing and correct labeling and quality control are important for kava to flourish.
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  9. kasa_balavu

    kasa_balavu Yaqona Dina

    That's quite possible, and might explain the double-testing... why else would they get the kava tested in the US by Atlas Labs if they already had USP results. It's interesting though that the USP results have the vendors name on them, rather than the name of a middleman. It's all very strange.

    Absolutely!
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  10. AlohaAimee

    AlohaAimee Kava Enthusiast

    Super sketchy situation. I'd love to hear what the vendor has to say about it all.
  11. Kapmcrunk

    Kapmcrunk The Kaptain of Crunk KavaForums Founder

    Yep, that willingness to display the results of the tests is what throws me off as much as the test itself.
  12. ThePiper

    ThePiper Kava Enthusiast

    The plot thickens.

    After several sessions with this stuff, the falsely alleged 26% is actually very good kava. Not extremely potent, but probably would go in my top 10 kavas this year.
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  13. Krunʞy

    Krunʞy . Admin

    As a consumer, I find it difficult to support a product like this because I see red flags all over the place. I am not dismissing anyone's experience with the kava, it could very well be excellent. For me it's easier to stay with the tried and true kavas, because I have the peace of mind that I am getting what is advertised, all the time.

    Similarly, I get many follow requests on Instagram from kava bars, I always ignore those whom sell Kr@ along with kava because it goes against my belief that both plants should be sold in the same establishment.
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  14. ThePiper

    ThePiper Kava Enthusiast

    I should add that I wouldn't suggest anyone spend $50 for a half lb of this kava, or any kava for that matter. I got it as a sampler pack.
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