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KAVA PRESS ALERT Disinformation online

Discussion in 'Kava Watchdog List' started by Ena Barry, Jul 27, 2018.

  1. Ena Barry

    Ena Barry Member

    I am still new to kava. Came across this video while just browsing youtube. So there is still such disinformation online? NEVER take kava alone? Take kava with ..... Phenibut? Take this supplement (he presents that as the best kava supplement available)? Is anything at all true about kava in this video?
  2. Krunʞy

    Krunʞy Kava Enthusiast Admin

    The only thing I see being true in that video is the history of kava, he got that part right. I couldn't even finish the video to be honest because it's such a load of shit. I'm sure somebody can explain it more eloquently but it certainly should never be mixed with phenibut, phenibut in itself is bad in my opinion. Seems like a typical scam of somebody trying to capitalize on something that is not broken.
  3. Krunkie McKrunkface

    Krunkie McKrunkface Kava Enthusiast

    It's a steaming, bubbly, fermented load of shit.
  4. NAMBATU

    NAMBATU Kava Enthusiast

    Don't take liquid kava? What a dumbass. Can we make a warning page about this guy?

    Edit: I found this.
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  5. recentreturn

    recentreturn Kava Enthusiast

    Yeah great advice... Always mix your drugs together. Never drink kava alone; too scary. But don't worry, he found a mixture that has been used for FOURTEEN WHOLE YEARS!!! So much better tested than doing something crazy and dangerous like using kava BY ITSELF or mixed with water (which is a liquid, so certainly toxic). [all the above is sarcastic]
  6. Kapmcrunk

    Kapmcrunk The Kaptain of Crunk KavaForums Founder

    He calls it "Kava kava" throughout the entire video. Game over. This is the first indicator that the person speaking is either reading from a script, or has very basic if any knowledge of kava at all.

    A few other things I noticed:

    The "Benefits of kava" slide is factual. Also he is right, it is non-addictive. He's wrong about the kidney and liver issues. He's also wrong about increasing dosage when taken alone.

    Recommends not drinking the dry powdered root, to which I raise my middle finger, and then completely misses the point of a water extraction. Classic.

    Recommends against the "liquid form" of kava without really going into any detail of what exactly is "liquid form". States that you have to take this "liquid form" right away or it will degrade.

    Claims most products sit on the shelf for months if not years. Another untrue statement.

    Uses the analogy of eating different green foods to back up his position of taking "other" supplements along with kava to "negate" the side effects. Faulty logic.

    SUGGESTS MIXING WITH PHENIBUT AND CLAIMS NO SIDE EFFECTS full stop

    That tells me everything I need to know about what this person thinks they know about kava. They know absolutely nothing. The advice given here isn't worth the distance you can throw it. Festering pile of a video.
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2018
  7. Intrepidus_dux

    Intrepidus_dux Kava Enthusiast

    I mean, I guess you could mix it with phenibut if you want to sleep for two days. What an idiot. Sounds like the type that would drink a poppy seed slurry and load up on some other CNS depressants for good measure. Perhaps he’s perfecting his method to eventually exit this world like a rock star.
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  8. recentreturn

    recentreturn Kava Enthusiast

    "...of course when I tell people these things they think 'Oh my gosh, I gotta be taking all these different products; I gotta be taking 20 or 30 different pills a day; there's no way I'm gonna follow it; this is too much; its not gonna work for me and its gonna be way way too expensive," and you're right; and the benefit, the good thing, is that there are a couple products out there that actually combine these key ingredients at the right dose and one of them that I recommend that I know about that works great is called..."
    That's the tell. The misinformation is intentional. I highly doubt he's a medical doctor.
  9. PapaMoi

    PapaMoi Kava Enthusiast

    "Kava kava". Lol.
    That always cracks me up when I hear it.
  10. Kojo Douglas

    Kojo Douglas Kava Enthusiast

    To be fair, when I first started drinking Kava 20 years ago people called it "Kava kava." I think it's because in Bislama words are often said twice in a row for increased effect. For example, "kai" is "eat." But people often say "me likem kai kai 'em kokorako" which means "I like to eat chicken." Or "me like you give em me small small money."

    I worked in the Solomon Islands for a few months and learned to speak some Bislama/Melanesian pidgin. So I think "Kava kava" comes from this tendency to be persistent in talking. Maybe someone was trying to buy Kava and the communities were saying "Kava kava" to increase the effect of the language.
  11. Krunkie McKrunkface

    Krunkie McKrunkface Kava Enthusiast

    My understanding is that it is regional, and that in some places kava is called kava kava, just as elsewhere it is yanqona, Ava, 'Awa, and sakau. It's just one or more islands' original term for kava and it did show up in a lot of the original historical sources used by Europeans, so it was known in the western context as kava kava out of proportion to how it is used in Pacific cultures. It's not in any way wrong, just not representative, as most people know it as kava.

    In the North American context it is something a newcomer would say, at least until they learned that everybody calls it kava and calling it kava kava sounds weird, not wrong, just weird. I had to get used to saying grog, because to me that always meant rum. I also share Lebot's frustration at everything being called kava so it gets very imprecise. There's kava the whole plant, then there is kava the drink made from ground roots and water, and then there is kava the whatever marketers slap on a product which might or might not have some ingredients that at least at one time were part of a kava plant before extraction or processing or whatever, hopefully not toxic parts, or toxically extracted. Maybe we should call that last stuff kava kava?