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infraredz

BULA!
I'm sure most of us have had experiences with kava causing vivid or strange dreams, but I'm starting to become interested in its capacity for lucid dreaming. I don't know if there are any other lucid dreamers out there, but I used to be fairly interested in it and had some success but the amount of "work" involved ended up causing me to leave it behind.

Last night though, I had the most amazing lucid dream I've had in a really long time. I had 5tbsp Melo Melo and 3 of Fijian Waka at around 5pm, then fell asleep around 10pm. Not only did I sleep really well (which is a big issue for me), but I was able to initiate a lucid dream (I realized I was dreaming and started the process to become lucid). I encountered a dream character (who is real, in normal life) and was able to have a very cathartic and satisfying interaction with them. This is a person from my past who I've needed to "talk to" but can't in waking life for reasons that I won't discuss here.

Anyways, I know lucid dreaming is kind of a "far out" thing for a lot of people, but so is kava. I really want to get back into lucid dreaming, and I especially want to continue this therapeutic encounter I had because it was unfortunately cut short due to waking up.

I figured, what better place to ask about kava and lucid dreaming than a bunch of odd balls :p
 
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Deleted User01

I like the dreams on Kava but I have never paid attention to whether they were lucid or not. What is your definition of lucid? Or I guess I should say, let's create a criteria for lucid dreaming so we can document them. And of course, here at the Kava Labs, we can discuss what kinds of Kavas are conducive to what kind of dreams. The Elders were thought to have out of body experiences with certain Kavas and they could touch the heavens and talk to the Devine. That's what I'm talking about!
 

infraredz

BULA!
For the sake of simplicity, and to use as a starting point we can define it as
  • Lucid dream: A dream in which you are aware that you are dreaming
Basically, and I was never an "Oneironaut", but once you are aware you are dreaming (which can be caused by a number of things), you can then start to exert some control over your dreams. I had a roommate once who said almost all his dreams were lucid (it appeared to run in his family) and he would be able to go to the top of mount Everest and start flying, have romantic encounters with whoever he felt like, etc.

I have no doubt that kava possesses some properties that make it conducive to lucid dreaming, I've just never thought of it before. I've had numerous dreams where I was on the verge of lucidity, and had a lot of those sort of mystical dreams that you described above.

Anyways, I've got to run off to the doctor, but I'll post some more info on lucid dreaming techniques and such when I return :)
 

infraredz

BULA!
I lost the bookmark to my lucid dreaming webpages but this ones sums everything up pretty well:
http://www.lucidity.com/LucidDreamingFAQ2.html

1.1 WHAT IS LUCID DREAMING?
Lucid dreaming means dreaming while knowing that you are dreaming. The term was coined by Frederik van Eeden who used the word "lucid" in the sense of mental clarity. Lucidity usually begins in the midst of a dream when the dreamer realizes that the experience is not occurring in physical reality, but is a dream. Often this realization is triggered by the dreamer noticing some impossible or unlikely occurrence in the dream, such as flying or meeting the deceased. Sometimes people become lucid without noticing any particular clue in the dream; they just suddenly realize they are in a dream. A minority of lucid dreams (according to the research of LaBerge and colleagues, about 10 percent) are the result of returning to REM (dreaming) sleep directly from an awakening with unbroken reflective consciousness.

The basic definition of lucid dreaming requires nothing more than becoming aware that you are dreaming. However, the quality of lucidity can vary greatly. When lucidity is at a high level, you are aware that everything experienced in the dream is occurring in your mind, that there is no real danger, and that you are asleep in bed and will awaken shortly. Withlow-level lucidity you may be aware to a certain extent that you are dreaming, perhaps enough to fly or alter what you are doing, but not enough to realize that the people are dream representations, or that you can suffer no physical damage, or that you are actually in bed.
laboratory study, we have concluded that OBEs can occur in the same physiological state as lucid dreams. Wake-initiated lucid dreams (WILDs) were three times more likely to be labeled "OBEs" than dream initiated lucid dreams. If you believe yourself to have been awake, then you are more likely to take the experience at face value and believe yourself to have literally left your physical body in some sort of mental or "astral" body floating around in the "real" physical world. If, on the other hand, you think of the experience as a dream, then you are likely to identify the OBE body as a dream body image and the environment of the experience as a dream world. The validity of the latter interpretation is supported by observations and research on these phenomena.

Overcoming Nightmares from EWLD.) The fear you feel in a nightmare is completely real; it is the danger that is not.

Unreasonable fear can be defused by facing up to the source, or going through with the frightening activity, so that you observe that no harm comes to you. In a nightmare, this act of courage can take any form that involves facing the "threat" rather than avoiding it. For example, one young man dreamt of being pursued by a lion. When he had no place left to run, he realized he was dreaming and called to the lion to "come and get him." The challenge turned into a playful wrestling match, and the lion became a sexy woman (NightLight1.4, 1989, p. 13). Monsters often transform into benign creatures, friends, or empty shells when courageously confronted in lucid dreams. This is an extremely empowering experience. It teaches you in a very visceral manner that you can conquer fear and thereby become stronger.

2.1.3 Rehearsal
Lucid dreaming is an extraordinarily vivid form of mental imagery, so realistic that the trick is to realize it is a mental construct. It is no surprise, therefore, that many people use lucid dreaming to rehearse for success in waking life. Examples of such applications include public speaking, difficult confrontations, artistic performance and athletic prowess. Because the activity of the brain during a dreamed activity is the same as during the real event, neuronal patterns of activation required for a skill (like a ski jump or pirouette) can be established in the dream state in preparation for performance in the waking world. See EWLD for examples.

2.1.4 Creativity and Problem Solving
The creative potential of dreams is legendary. The brain is highly active in REM sleep and unconstrained by sensory input, which together may contribute to the novel combinations of events and objects we experience as dream bizarreness. This same novelty allows thought to take on forms that are rare in waking life, manifesting as enhanced creativity, or defective thinking depending on one's point of view (As Roland Fisher put it, "One man's creativity is another's brain damage."). The claim of enhanced creativity of the dream state is supported by LI research: One study found word associations immediately after awakening from a dream to be 29% more likely to be uncommon compared to word associations later in the day (NightLight, 6.4, 1994). Another study comparing a variety of kinds of experience including daydreams, memories of actual events, and dreams, found that dreams were judged as being significantly more creative than both daydreams and memories (NL, 4.1, 1992). In any case, many lucid dreamers report using dreams for problem solving and artistic inspiration; see EWLD for a variety of examples.

2.1.5 Healing
The effects of visual imagery on the body are well-established. Just as skill practice in a dream can enhance waking performance, healing dream imagery may improve physical health. Medical patients have often used soothing and positive imagery to alleviate pain, and the dream world offers the most vivid form of imagery. Thus, some people have use lucid dreams in overcoming phobias, working with grief, decreasing social and sexual anxieties, achieving greater self-confidence and by directing the body image in the dream to facilitate physical healing. The applications, which are described in greater detail in EWLD, deserve clinical study, as they may be the greatest boon that lucid dreaming has to offer. Other potential healing applications of lucid dreaming include: practice of physical skills by stroke and spinal cord injury patients to encourage recovery of neuromuscular function, enjoyment of sexual satisfaction by people with lower body sensory loss (fully satisfying dream sex requires only mental stimulation!), more rapid recovery from injury or disease through the use of lucid dream imagery, and an increased sense of freedom for anyone who feels limited by disability or circumstance.

2.1.6 Transcendence
The experience of being in a lucid dream clearly demonstrates the astonishing fact that the world we see is a construct of our minds. This concept, so elusive when sought in waking life, is the cornerstone of spiritual teachings. It forces us to look beyond everyday experience and ask, "If this is not real, what is?" Lucid dreaming, by so baldly baring a truth that many spend lives seeking, often triggers spiritual questioning in people who try it for far more mundane purposes. Not only does lucid dreaming lead to questioning the nature of reality, but for many it also has been a source of transcendent experience. Exalted and ecstatic states are common in lucid dreams. EWLD presents several cases of individuals achieving states of union with the Highest, great peace and a new sense of their roles in life.

nightmares can transform habitual fear into conscious courage. The simple state of lucidity is frequently enough to elevate the mood of a dreamer in a nightmare. In a study of the effect of lucid dreams on mood, college students reported that realizing they were dreaming in a nightmare helped them feel better about 60 percent of the time. Lucidity was seven times more likely to make nightmares better than worse.

A parallel concern is that dying in a dream can cause death in reality. If this were true, how would we know? Anyone who died from a dream could not tell us about its content. Many people, after awakening alive, report having died in their dreams with no ill effect. Dreams of death can actually be insightful experiences about life, rebirth, and transcendence.

Some people believe that dreams are messages from the unconscious mind and should not be consciously altered. Modern research on dreaming, discussed further in chapter 5 of EWLD, suggests that dreams are not messages, but models of the world. While awake, sensory and perceptual information governs our model. While dreaming, our bodies are paralyzed and our brain builds a world model based on a secondary source; namely, our assumptions, motivations, and expectations. These biases are difficult to identify while awake, so a world based entirely on such biases, the world of dreams, can help us to recognize them. Thus, dreams are not messages, but are more like clues into the inner workings of our minds. The conscious and critical awareness that accompanies lucid dreams allows dreamers to thoughtfully interpret their dreams while they happen.

Finally, some people worry that lucid dreams are so exciting and pleasurable that they will become addicted and "sleep their life away." There is a biological obstacle to living in lucid dreams: we have a limited amount of REM sleep. More importantly, lucid dreams can be inspirations for how to act and improve in reality. Your behavior strongly influences your experience in both worlds. Lucid dreams can be signposts for how you can make your waking reality more exciting and enjoyable.

A brief discussion of the methods involved is available on the Lucidity Institute web site. The core exercise is writing down everything you recall about your dreams in a dream journal immediately after waking from the dream, no matter how fragmentary your recall. Record what you recall immediately upon waking from the dream; if you wait until morning you are likely to forget most, if not all, of the dream. In A Course in Lucid Dreaming we advise that people build their dream recall to at least one dream recalled per night before proceeding with lucid dream induction techniques.

3.2.2 Reality Testing
This is a good technique for beginners. Assign yourself several times a day to perform the following exercise. Also do it anytime you think of it, especially when something odd occurs or when you are reminded of dreams. It helps to choose specific occasions like: when you see your face in the mirror, look at your watch, arrive at work or home, pick up yourNovaDreamer, etc. The more frequently and thoroughly you practice this technique, the better it will work.

  1. Do a reality test.
    Carry some text with you or wear a digital watch throughout the day. To do a reality test, read the words or the numbers on the watch. Then, look away and look back, observing the letters or numbers to see if they change. Try to make them change while watching them. Research shows that text in dreams changes 75% of the time it is re-read once and changes 95% it is re-read twice. If the characters do change, or are not normal, or do not make sense, then you are most probably dreaming. Enjoy! If the characters are normal, stable, and sensible, then you probably aren't dreaming. Go on to step 2.

  2. Imagine that your surroundings are a dream.
    If you are fairly certain you are awake (you can never be 100% sure!), then say to yourself, "I may not be dreaming now, but if I were, what would it be like?" Visualize as vividly as possible that you are dreaming. Intently imagine that what you are seeing, hearing, smelling, feeling is all a dream. Imagine instabilities in your environment, words changing, scenes transforming, perhaps you floating off the ground. Create in yourself the feeling that you are in a dream. Holding that feeling, go on to step 3.

  3. Visualize yourself enjoying a dream activity.
    Decide on something you would like to do in your next lucid dream, perhaps flying, talking to particular dream characters, or just exploring the dream world. Continue to imagine that you are dreaming now, and visualize yourself enjoying your chosen activity.
3.2.3 Dreamsigns
Another dream-recall related exercise introduced in EWLD and further developed in A Course in Lucid Dreaming is identifying "dreamsigns." This term, coined by LaBerge, refers to elements of dreams that indicate that you are dreaming. (Examples: miraculous flight, purple cats, malfunctioning devices, and meeting deceased people.) By studying your dreams you can become familiar with your own personal dreamsigns and set your mind to recognize them and become lucid in future dreams. The Course also provides exercises for noticing dreamsigns while you are awake, so that the skill carries over into your dreams. This exercise also applies to lucid dream induction devices, which give sensory cues--special, artificially-produced dreamsigns--while you are dreaming. To succeed at recognizing these cues in dreams, you need to practice looking for them and recognizing them while you are awake.

3.2.4 Mnemonic Induction of Lucid Dreams (MILD)
The MILD technique employs prospective memory, remembering to do something (notice you're dreaming) in the future. Dr. LaBerge developed this technique for his doctoral dissertation and used it to achieve lucid dreaming at will. The proper time to practice MILD is after awakening from a dream, before returning to sleep. (Modified from EWLD, p. 78)

  1. Setup dream recall.
    Set your mind to awaken from dreams and recall them. When you awaken from a dream, recall it as completely as you can.

  2. Focus your intent.
    While returning to sleep, concentrate single-mindedly on your intention to remember to recognize that you're dreaming. Tell yourself: "Next time I'm dreaming, I will remember I'm dreaming," repeatedly, like a mantra. Put real meaning into the words and focus on this idea alone. If you find yourself thinking about anything else, let it go and bring your mind back to your intention.

  3. See yourself becoming lucid.
    As you continue to focus on your intention to remember when you're dreaming, imagine that you are back in the dream from which you just awakened (or another one you have had recently if you didn't remember a dream on awakening). Imagine that this time you recognize that you are dreaming. Look for a dreamsign--something in the dream that demonstrates plainly that it is a dream. When you see it say to yourself: "I'm dreaming!" and continue your fantasy. Imagine yourself carrying out your plans for your next lucid dream. For example, if you want to fly in your lucid dream, imagine yourself flying after you come to the point in your fantasy when you become lucid.

  4. Repeat until your intention is set.
    Repeat steps 2 and 3 until either you fall asleep or are sure that your intention is set. If, while falling asleep, you find yourself thinking of anything else, repeat the procedure so that the last thing in your mind before falling asleep is your intention to remember to recognize the next time you are dreaming.
3.2.5 Napping
Two observations led LaBerge in the late 1970s to develop morning napping as a method of lucid dream induction. First, he noticed that lucidity seemed to come easier in afternoon naps. The second suggestion same from several lucid dreamers who noted that certain activities during the night appeared to induce lucid dreaming. The diverse qualities of these interruptions: sex, vomiting, and pure meditation, piqued LaBerge's curiosity regarding what feature each might possess conducive to lucidity. The answer proved to be quite simple: wakefulness interjected during sleep increases the likelihood of lucidity. In fact, the nap technique, refined through several NightLight experiments, is an extremely powerful method of stimulating lucid dreams. The technique requires you to awaken one hour earlier than usual, stay awake for 30 to 60 minutes, then go back to sleep. One study showed a 15 to 20 times increased likelihood of lucid dreaming for those practicing the nap technique over no technique. During the wakeful period, read about lucid dreaming, practice reality checks and then do MILD as you are falling asleep. The Lucidity Institute's training programs include this technique as an essential part of the schedule, one of the reasons why most participants have lucid dreams during the session.
 

Alopeye

Kava Curious
Lucid dreams are absolutely fantastic. I can't name more than a very few occasions in my lifetime when I've been lucky enough to realize that I'm dreaming and gain complete control. For the most part, I'll figure out that I'm dreaming and control the ability to fly, or the ability to turn on some nasty demon pursuing me. I can't think of a time when I've been able to control the landscape or characters that I came into contact with though.
 

infraredz

BULA!
Give it some practice and you will be able to have almost complete control. Just so everyone knows, being lucid for dreams is amazing by itself, but as you gain more experience and are able to start controlling dreams, that's where the true power comes.

I remember my first lucid dream as a kid. It was the stereotypical "bad guy" running after me and he eventually got me cornered and I had no way out. I was terrified as I looked at that demonic face and thought of the worst. Then, a surprisingly simple thought popped into my head and I told that thing "You know what? I'm dreaming, so I can open my eyes whenever I want and you'll disappear." Sure enough, not only did the monster retreat in defeat, but I was then able to start controlling some aspects of my dream. That night has always kinda stuck with me, and after seeing Waking Life, I really became dedicated to lucid dreaming.

There are scores of examples of scientists, mathematicians and brilliant minds in general who have solved monumental problems through dreaming. There are also those who have found spiritual, creative and therapeutic benefits (too vast to describe) from simply being aware of our dreams. Anyways, here goes night 1 of starting the practice again. I hope to pick up on last night's dream and have even more "therapy" around this topic.
 
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Deleted User01

This seems to be a complicated topic. I have solved programming and accounting problems in my sleep but I attest this to clearing the mine of all garbage and letting it concentrate in a relaxed environment (sleep). But those kind of dreams are aggravating. I hate watching numbers and computer code flash thru my mind at night. I rather solve the problem in the shower (when I'm also very relaxed).

So yesterday I had Fiji which is a heady Kava. I have these types of dreams where I seem to be watching them and commenting on them and last nite I had some of those. For instance, I dreamed I saw old guy fishing and he was commenting on the importance of a good tip at the end of the fishing rod. I was thinking "hmm, I wonder what type of glue he uses". But I wasn't physically in the dream. 20 something years ago, I had a new tip installed on my fishing rod, I picked it up, went into the car and my wife/girlfriend promptly slammed the door on it and broke off the tip again right there in the parking lot. She laughed so hard that tears came running down her cheeks but I was royally pissed. Was my snippet of a dream related to that? 20 something years ago?

So for now, I'm going to call these type of dreams "busy body" dreams caused by Kavain type Kavas. You can affix a more scientific name for those if there is one. Thursday, I will have some left over Solomons but I will end the day (4:00-5:00pm) with an extra large dose of WOW and see what kind of dreams that brings on. I'm looking for those 20th Century Productions type dreams with a plot and a cast of many in full living color.

I encourage everyone to catalog the type dreams they have on particular Kavas. I remember Kavasseur saying he had massive dreams on Paradise Fijian. Once I get a handle on my own dreams, then I'm going to work on the techniques described abov to see what benefit that might bring me (if any).

Infraredz, I think Kava and Dreams is a fantastic topic and there are some tips on the internet. Ex. Take your Kava late (which I don't). This is a great project for the group at Kava Labs to dig into.
 

infraredz

BULA!
So last night I had 5tbsp Melo Melo and 3 Fijian Waka around 4, then a tbsp of Koniak and 2 of Boroguru around 10 (feeling anxious after class). I went to bed while doing the MILD and Incubating techniques (in a combination) such as "When I dream about X, I will know I'm dreaming" and also incorporating counting (ie. "When I dream about X, I will know I'm dreaming-100" "When I dream about X, I will know I'm dreaming-99". The counting method is supposed to take you through hypnagogic states, through sleep paralysis and directly into a lucid dream, although this (sleep paralysis) can be absolutely terrifying for some so it's not recommended to start. Regardless, I've never had much luck with it taking me straight into a lucid dream anyways, it just helps focus my "mantra" and is similar to counting sheep to help me fall asleep.

Fortunately, I remember 4 different dreams from the night, although in differing intensities and lengths and none about the "target", although I did try to control instate that dream character whenever I became lucid, which might be the reason I kept awakening from them [see below]. That's a good sign, as my dream recall (very important) went up significantly. We all dream about once every 90 mins, assuming your sleep architecture isn't disturbed so that's 5 dreams a night (8 hrs sleep). It's vital to increase your dream recall or you might have a great lucid dream, but not remember it in the morning.

Also fortunately, but unfortunately as well, I became lucid a few times, but due to the excitement, I excited my mind enough to leave REM sleep long enough to interrupt the dream so I didn't have a significantly long lucid dream (although almost all my dreams has a conscious [lucid]) element to them. I remember this being common in the beginning for me, and I would venture to guess most people will experience the same thing.

Here are some tips from the above website. I personally have found spinning to be the most effective at restoring my dreams, but that's assuming you can remain calm enough to have the lucid dream.

"The first is to remain calm in the dream. Becoming lucid is exciting, but expressing the excitement can awaken you. It is possible to enjoy the thrill that accompanies the dawning of lucidity without allowing the activation to overwhelm you. Be like a poker player with an ideal hand. Relax and engage with the dream rather than withdrawing into your inner joy of accomplishment.

Then, if the dream shows signs of ending, such as a loss of detail, vividness, and apparent reality of the imagery, the technique of "spinning" can often restore the dream. You spin your dream body around like a child trying to get dizzy. LaBerge developed this technique after experimenting with the idea that relaxing completely might help prevent awakening from a dream. When in a lucid dream that was fading, he stopped and dropped backwards to the floor, and had a false awakening in bed! After a few trials he determined that the essential element was the sensation of motion, not relaxation. The best way to create a feeling of movement, especially in the dream scene has vanished, leaving nowhere to move to, is to create angular momentum (or the sensation of it), by spinning around your axis. You are not really doing it, but your brain is well familiar with the experience of spinning and duplicates the experience quite well. In the process the vestibular and kinesthetic senses are engaged. Presumably, this sensory engagement with the dream discourages the brain from changing state from dreaming to waking. Note that dream spinning does not usually lead to dizziness. Be aware that the expectation of possible awakening sometimes leads to a "false awakening" in which you dream of waking. The vividness of the spinning sensation may cause you to feel your spinning arm hit the bed. You think, "Oops, I'm awake in bed now." Think now--your physical body wasn't really spinning, it was your dream body--therefore, the arm is a dream arm hitting a dream bed! To avoid being deceived, recite, "The next scene will be a dream," until a scene appears. If you are in doubt about your status, perform a thorough reality test."
 

infraredz

BULA!
I know this all seem a little like the movie "Inception" to some of you, but take it from a science geek that this is all real, scientifically validated stuff. The terminology and way that it's discussed sometimes just gives off a "pseudo-science" or "new age" kind of feel, but it's just the lexicon of this lucid dreaming community
 
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infraredz

BULA!
And hey, if you are looking for a reason to use an emulsifier to better extract the kavalactones, there's even one more benefit of using soy Lecithin granules. Soy Lecithin has a high amount of Choline (an essential nutrient) which is the main precursor for acetylcholine and is proposed to elicit lucid dreaming (galantamine and choline is considered the gold standard for lucid dreaming supplements). Choline is even linked to lowered anxiety. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19656836
 
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infraredz

BULA!
I'm trying the super combo of Galantamine and Choline (specifically Apha-GPC). It should get here tomorrow. From everything I've read, that's the best (non-strange herb) that helps with lucidity.

Although I must say that kava alone (specifically Melo Melo and Solomon's) have produced some very vivid, but more importantly, lucid dreams. My recall is up by a crazy percentage on the days I drink kava.
 

Bert07

Me like da kava
@Deleted User01-I had a session last night with a batch of Wow! and to put it bluntly I had a rather wild, sexual fantasy-type dream but I'll save the graphic details:eek:. I wouldn't say this particular dream was lucid but certainly a vivid one. It's strange how I came across this thread because this morning after having witnessed this, I was eager to hear others' experiences and sure enough someone beat me to the topic.
 

kavadude

❦ॐ tanuki tamer
Reading about lucid dreaming makes me pretty jealous. I can't stay asleep for more than an hour and a half or so at a time. When I was really trying to lucid dream, I'd inevitably wake up shortly after becoming lucid, maybe because when I enter the lighter stages of sleep where lucidity is possible for most people I just wake up. I've definitely had some intensely vivid dreams with kavain-y kava.
 

infraredz

BULA!
It could also be (a very common occurrence) that you became excited about being lucid and that caused you to wake up. That's where "dream stabilization" comes in.

I would recommend reading up about that and trying it. You might find that you were waking up due to (simply) being lucid. It could also be a disrupted sleep architecture in which case Melatonin before bed helps tremendously with suppressing REM during early sleep and then having an increased amount of REM in the early morning due to "rebound".

Do you find that higher DHM strains help more with keeping you asleep?
 

kavadude

❦ॐ tanuki tamer
I haven't found anything that really helps me stay asleep, including melatonin and kava, though they help me get to sleep.
 

Andrew Procyk

Noble Kava
Kava Vendor
Okay - here is a kicker. Anyone ever have a lucid dream, and then "wake up" from the dream, but the waking was you dreaming that you were sleeping and waking up? So, you think you are awake, but you are still dreaming! I had this happen perhaps twice in my life, and it was quite terrifying until it was figured out. Anyone else have anything similar go on?
 

kavadude

❦ॐ tanuki tamer
Definitely had that problem. Woke up in my room, and the doorknob turned on its own and the door opened very slowly. I was pretty sure it was a ghost/demon...then I woke up.
 

infraredz

BULA!
Yeah, I've had a ton of false-awakenings, but I've also had a few lucid dreams where I intentionally dreamt that I wanted to go to bed and have a dream, lucidly. Therefore when I woke up from that dream I was still in a lucid dream, but I had known it all along. And once, and only once, I seemed to go down two levels in a dream lucidly, and I can say that was one of the more terrifying lucid dreams I've had. Even when I was in my "normal" lucid dream, I felt like I was trapped and going crazy.

That one occurrence could have been some mix of sleep paralysis and a dream though. SP is really terrifying stuff.
 
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