Discussion in 'In-Depth Kava Discussion' started by kasa_balavu, Sep 13, 2019.
Great little video by the FAO:
Great stuff. Would this apply to other regions?
Well, there aren't any other kava growing regions so that wouldn't be necessary
The overall significance of Codex* is that (if it goes through) kava will become a food/beverage considered safe to consume by the standards outlined in Codex.
This would have international implications. Hawai'i is also part of the kava/'awa growing region and has its' own unique cultivars which are currently listed within the Codex. Vanuatu, Fiji, Samoa, Tonga, Federated States of Micronesia, Solomon Islands, and Papua NG also have cultivars listed within the Standards. All participants have worked long and hard on this...time will tell if these Standrds are accepted.
*The Codex Alimentarius is a collection of internationally recognized standards, codes of practice, guidelines, and other recommendations relating to foods, food production, and food safety. Its name is derived from the Codex Alimentarius Austriacus.
I can't see it being anything other than a step in the right direction. It moves kava of the kratom radar once and for all and I think it will help everyone involved in the cultivation and consumptiom of kava. Win/win.
it seems like most of the conversations were being had in Vanuatu maybe I wasn't watching for long enough. That's why I was asking if it would apply to other regions like say the Solomon islands and Fiji and Micronesia and New Guinea. Because obviously other than Fiji those other regions have always been known to produce Isa
The meetings are being held in Vanuatu but they include representatives from USDA Codex, FDA, and representatives for the earlier listed regions in previous post.
There are lots of cultivars listed for each specific region. Isa is not included on the list.
Oh please, Fiji just trans-ships it.
One of the absolutely worst tudeis i've ever encountered is imported into New Zealand and sold as "100% Fijian kava". An investigation has revealed it to likely be that "iwi" tudei from PNG.
What does this mean for a cultivar that is not listed in the Codex?
Okay. What would be the point of listing cultivars in the Codex versus just declaring piper methysticum a food/beverage that is recognized as safe to consume?
@Bula Kava House and @verticity I would be curious if this version of the Codex addressed any of your previous concerns outlined in this thread:
The listed ones will be food. Others will be what they are now
I haven't seen it. Sounds like it's not public yet.
So Kava varieties will now be divided into food and non-food?
No, that’s not confusing.
You don't think kava will ever be grown in other regions?
Many varieties will be recognised as food and will be easier to sell than today. Clearly not all kava varieties are the same and making some distinction has always been seen as reasonable. Even the most pro tudei guys here wouldnt drink wild kava (which lebot thinks is still the same piper) or even some of the nastier tudeis. I guess where some ppl disagree where to draw a boundry.
The codex chose to risk erring on the side if caution.
My perspective is that really strong outliers like wild Kava or harsh Tudeis will always randomly turn up on the market, and that most people will not drink them more than once. I’ve only ran into wild Kava once - it was awful - and I reported rather widely about it. I feel like pushing for “food” and “non-food” labels for Kava just generally pushes it back into the “danger” category.
Coffee and caffeine pills exist side-by side in the market. Caffeine overdoses kill people every now and then, but this has never prompted legislative action against coffee.
I'm hopeful that this is a step towards that for the kava industry.
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