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What kind of kava is that???

Discussion in 'Kava Lounge' started by Gourmet Hawaiian Kava, Mar 20, 2014.

  1. Gourmet Hawaiian Kava

    Gourmet Hawaiian Kava Kava Expert Kava Vendor

    What kind of kava do I have?????

    After all the talk about tuday kava and noble kava I decided to make a list of what we know, this is not meant to be a debate but to provide accurate information to people who really want to know.
    So here is what we know---

    We know that there is wild kava called piper "wichmannii" and we know that the kava we have today, the piper methysticum came from the wild kava, we know that thousands of years ago there were kava drinkers that would try the wild kava and when they found one that was not as harsh then they would keep that one and grow it from cutting thus making a clone of the kava. It is through the thousands of years of intentional cultivation of the wild kava that had effects that were not as harsh as some of the other wild kava that has given us the mutated form of the wild kava, this is the kava that we know as piper methysticum.
    The genealogy of kava clones, from the wild species to today's cultivars, is primarily a lineage of chemotypes.
    Distinct relationships exist between specific chemotypes and there traditional uses. Because a selection is made each time a farmer uproots an individual plant and experiments with it's physiological effect, the kava domestication process can be described as a progression of clone selections.
    So this tells us that the wild kava was consumed at on point in time, they had to in order to find out if the effects were desirable or undesirable, they were still a tuday kava.
    Now as time passed and through this intensive effect of cloning and mutations of the kava we have now the good kava to drink or the Noble kava, it is this noble kava that is the most desired, the tuday or wild kava is not used anymore for drinking, some are however used a medicinal kava.

    Another thing that we know is that there is a lot of people out there that drink the tuday kava and do not have any of the unwanted effects like vomiting and nausea but on the other hand a different person will drink the same tuday kava and they will experience the unwanted effects. It is like with alcohol, some people can drink a lot more than others and some need only drink a little bit to experience some unwanted effects from drinking the alcohol, it is the same with the tuday kava some can drink it and some cant.
    We also know that the tuday kava has a lot more of the Flavokavain B and the noble kava has a lot less. We know that this Flavokavain B might be responsible for liver hepatoxicity. It is just like with smoking cigarettes, some people still smoke them knowing the health risks involved.
    We know that for a very long time the people of the South Pacific have been drinking kava and they have found through this long period of time that the best kava for everyday drinking is the noble kava.
    When I say noble kava I am refering to any kava that has Kavain in the first, second or the third positioonn of the chemptype, we know that the tuday kava will have Kavain in the last 3 positions of the chemotype, we know that any kava that has the DHK #2 nad the DHM #5 in the firs second or third position while having the kavain in the last 3 positions is in fact a tuday kava and it is easy to tell by soaking some of the kava in question in acetone for 24 hrs, you will see the difference in color, the noble kava will be light and gold in color and the wild tuday kava will be a lot darker. I am going to post some pictures of that soon, i am doing this to all my Hawaiian variates and the Isa, this will be posted later so that you folks can see the color difference.

    Lets talk about the distribution of the wild kava and the piper methysticum throughout the Pacific area.
    This is a survey of kava throughout the pacific area.

    Papua New Guinea---- has 23 wild forms (piper wichmannii) and only 4 piper methysticum.
    Solomon Islands---- have 18 wild forms and 0 piper methysticum.
    Vanuatu---- has 2 wild forms and 80 piper methysticum.
    Fiji---- has 0 wild forms and 12 piper methysticum.
    Tonga---- has 0 wild forms and 7 piper methysticum.
    Western Samoa---- has 0 wild forms and 6 piper methysticum.
    American Samoa---- has 0 wild forms and 5 piper methysticum.
    Wallis and Futuna---- has 0 wild forms and 3 piper methysticum.
    Cook Islands---- has 0 wild forms and 1 piper methysticum.
    Tahiti---- has 0 wild forms and 3 piper methysticum.
    Marquesas---- Islands has 0 wild forms and 1 piper methysticum.
    Hawaii---- has 0 wild forms and 11 piper methysticum.
    Pohnpei---- has 0 wild forms and 2 piper methysticum.
    Kosrae---- has 0 wild forms and 1 piper methysticum.
    This survey is not an exhaustive survey and there might be other kava cultivars that have not been cataloged for example when this survey was done it lists Hawaii as having 11 varieties but we have 15.
    This survey tells us that the wild kava is not everywhere, it is only in the Vanuatu, Papua New Guinea and the Solomon islands area, let me say that again, the wild tuday kava is only in that small area of the Pacific, it is not in Hawaii or Fiji or other places although Hawaii does have Isa, Isa is not a Hawaiian kava, it is in fact not even from Vanuatu as some say it is, but it is from Papua New Guinea.
    So with that information we can see how people of Fiji and Tonga and other places have been drinking there kava for thousands of years with no ill effects just like the people of Vanuatu but the chance of getting a wild kava comes only from Papua New Guinea, Vanuatu and the Solomon Islands, all other kava producing areas have kava that is very drinkable, we do not have to worry about the tuday kava from these area's.

    Noble kava  
    5Ge wiswisketGaua
     Ge gusug 
     Bir Sul 
     Bir Kar 
    12Naga miwokVanua Lava
     Ge vemea 
    Table 2
    Medicinal kava
    1MologugeiAmbae East
    2NgwangaruAmbae East
    3BisuiboeAmbae West
    4MavuteAmbae West
    11Bagavia 1Epi
    12Bagavia 2Epi
    20BumalotuMaewo North
    21HaweraraMaewo North
    22MalokaiMaewo North
    23RaimelmeloMaewo North
    24ResresMaewo North
    25MaloglelabMalekula North East
    26MaloglaslasMalekula North East
    27NemleuMalekula North East
    28TafandaiMalekula North West
    29BaanMalekula North West
    30DaouMalekula North West
    32HigMere Lava
    33LabMota Lava
    34NagameMota Lava
    41Borogu tememePentecost Central
    42BukulitPentecost Central
    43Borogu temitPentecost Central
    44Borogoru maitaPentecost North
    45Borogoru memeaPentecost North
    46VabugaiPentecost North
    47BugolitaPentecost North
    48Gorogoro entepalPentecost South
    49Gorogoro entemetPentecost South
    50KerakraPentecost South
    51TamaevoPentecost South
    52AigenTanna Central
    53MitaTanna Central
    54SaosaoTanna Central
    55TuanTanna Central
    56KiskisnianTanna Central
    57YalonTanna Central
    58AworTanna Central
    59MalamalaTanna Central
    60PaamaTanna Central
    61WapilTanna Central
    62PusanTanna South East
    63MarangmarangTanna South East
    64KokoffeTanna South East
    65KowarikiTanna South East
    66MalamalaTanna South East
    67PaamaTanna South East
    78GemimeVanua Lava
    79RanranreVanua Lava
    Table 3
    Two days kava
    1GawoboeAmbae East
    2RonrikiAmbae East
    3TarivoravoraAmbae East
    4ValeiboeAmbae East
    5QoroAmbae East
    6SulusuluAmbae East
    7GanonoAmbae East
    8GaraetoAmbae East
    9MakaruAmbae East
    10MologomavuteAmbae East
    11TarimavuteAmbae East
    12TaritamaewoAmbae East
    13MemeaAmbae West
    14MindoAmbae West
    15RogorogopulaAmbae West
    16ToluAmbae West
    17TariAmbae West
    18TariporoAmbae West
    19LaklakAmbrym North
    35MeawlakeEpi South
    36MeawmeiaEpi South
    39GumaitoMaewo North
    40DaumangasMaewo North
    41RairairegiMaewo North
    42TariparausMaewo North
    43TufagiMaewo North
    44TumpuinakapmatoMaewo North
    45TarihaniMaewo North
    46RongrongvulaMaewo South
    47TarivarusiMaewo South
    48VabuMaewo South
    49MologubananoMaewo South and Pentecost North
    50MologubangaMaewo South and Pentecost North
    51MalokrokMalekula North East
    52PadeMalekula North West
    53MalatuwasMalekula North West
    54NalimliuneMalekula North West
    55PouaMalekula North West
    58NamtemlaoMota Lava
    59NipunstabanMota Lava
    60TarivarusMota Lava
    61TakePentecost Central
    62TabalPentecost Central
    63MalmalboPentecost Central
    64RongrongwulPentecost Central
    65AbogaePentecost Central
    66FabulakalakaPentecost Central
    67LalahkPentecost Central
    68Renkaru Pentecost Central
    69SesePentecost North
    70VabulagagaPentecost North
    71RaraPentecost North
    72BaraetoPentecost North
    73RabualevaPentecost North
    74KavikPentecost North
    75MangaruPentecost North
    76RongrongvulaPentecost North
    77Sese laralaraPentecost North
    78TarivarusiPentecost North
    79SesePentecost South
    80TakerePentecost South
    81LalahkPentecost South
    82TarivarusiPentecost South
    83MarinoSanto Central
    84MereiSanto Central
    85FockSanto Central
    86MalogroSanto Central
    87ThyeiSanto Central
    88TudeySanto Central
    89YevoetSanto Central
    90PalavokeSanto South West
    91PirimereiSanto West
    92AheyokeSanto South West
    93PalisiSanto West
    94WokoSanto West
    95AwkeTanna Central
    96FareTanna Central
    97KalawasTanna Central
    98TikisikisTanna Central
    99ApinTanna Central
    100GnareTanna Central
    101FijiTanna Central
    102PentecostTanna Central
    103RhowenTanna Central
    104TudeyTanna Central
    105VilaTanna Central
    106ApolTanna South East
    107KowarwarTanna South East
    108Ring Tanna South East
    109TapugaTanna South East
    110PentecostTanna South East
    111TudeyTanna South East
    112VilaTanna South East
    123GelavaVanua Lava
    124NambalaoVanua Lava
    125TarvarusVanua Lava
    126WisabanaVanua Lava
    Table 4
    Wichmannii kava
    1VambuAmbae East
    3BambooMaewo North
    4BuaraMaewo North
    5TangurlavaMaewo North
    7VambuVanua Lava
    8GiemonlagakrisVanua Lava
    9BogongPentecost Central
    10Mele liapPentecost Central
    11Sini BoPentecost Central
    12BogongoPentecost North
    Keep in mind that Kava from Hawaii, Fiji, Tonga, Samoa, Wallis and Futuna, Tahiti, Marquesas Islands, Pohnpei and Kosarae do not have any tuday kava so it is safe to drink there kava without having to worry about it being a tuday kava, unless it was imported from a place that sells the tuday kava.

    Some other kava names from other places in the Pacific area.---
    Rahdmel and Rahmwahnger

    Hanakapi Ai, Hiwa, Honokane Iki, Kumakua, Mahakea,Mapulehu, Moi, Nene, Opihikao, Pana ewa, Papa Ele ele, Papa Ele ele puu puu and Papa Kea, Hawaii also has kava from a few other places that were introduces in the early 1980ies, they are--
    Awa La au from Samoa, Rahmedel from Micronesia, Rahmwanger also from Micronesia, and Isa from Papua New Guinea, Iwi from papua New Guinea, Hina from Tonga and Akau Huli also from Tonga, just a note that the chemotype of the Isa is 246531, if you look at the chemotype you will see that it has kavain #4 in the second position and the DHM #5 is in the 4 position, this may be the reason that some can drink the Isa and some can not.

    Tahiti--- Hahatea'a, Avini ute, Avina tea, Toaparu, Toa, Orava, Aue, Fauri, Taramaete, Marea, Morotoi, Maopi, Poiha'a and Ataura.

    Wallis and Futuna---Hinakata loa, hina leka, and huli kata loa.

    Samoa----Ava talo, ava mumu, ava sa, ava lea and ava la au.

    Tonga---- Kula akau, kula, leka kula, Hina akau, Hina, lau fulufulu, Ata and Vula.

    Fiji---Loa kasa leka, Loa kasa balavu, Vula kasa leka, vula kasa bulavu, Dokobana vula, Qila leka, qila balavu, Matakaro leka, Matakaro Balavu, Honolulu and Damu.

    So now when we look at the different things that might be a problem with kava like the Flavokavain B and the Pipermethysticin the alkaloid in kava as well as the DHK and the DHM, we can see that the people in the kava growing areas have been drinking these for a very long time with no bad side effects like liver damage and stuff like that, it is because of this that we believe that it is the processing of these that make it bad, for example the Flavokavain B seems to be just fine in the regular kava drink but if you drink a variety with a lot if it or if you use a solvent extract then these could make it bad for you. The only known safe way to use kava is the way that the Pacific people have been doing it for thousands of years and that is by using noble or non tuday kava and to use it in the traditional way.
    There are so many different kavalactones and other active ingredients that make up a kava cocktail and it is the synergy between these active ingredients that give us the desired effect.
    An solvent extract will extract all kinds of ingredients not just the kavalactones, the CO2 extractor will extract the total kavalactones but it will leave other things like glutamic acid, the other aminos, minerals, cinnamic acid, etc. Again we know that the traditional way works, other ways are a experiment in progress and we are the guinea pigs.
    I hope that with this information people will be able to make a informed choice as to what kava they want to drink. As always let me know if you have any questions, aloha.


    Edit: Put your information into tables - Kap'm
    Last edited: May 19, 2014
  2. This is good solid information but the list didn't paste well. I would love to see some of these posts in a library, maybe a PDF library where people could download them and read them at their leisure. Chris, I hope you are doing your posts on a Word Processor and saving them. Even better, you could start compiling all your posts for a future booklet. You could also make it available on your GHK website. I would be glad to proofread it and I'm sure you could easily get more volunteers.
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  3. HeadHodge

    HeadHodge Kneads Kava

    I'm also trying to figure out how to incorporate his info dumps into the Kavapedia. Just having brain block on how best to organize it.
  4. Kapmcrunk

    Kapmcrunk The Kaptain of Crunk KavaForums Founder

    We think alike headhodge I saw this post this morning and thought "WIKI MATERIAL!!!" and Deleted User01, once we get a good library going on I'll go in and create pdfs from them and distribute them. I like your ideas.
  5. infraredz

    infraredz BULA!

    I don't think this is the same list that Chris was trying to post, but nonetheless, it's worth bringing up again that there was a multinational conference on developing a standard for kava products. Here is a list from that paper ("DISCUSSION PAPER ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF A STANDARD FOR KAVA") of safe, "noble" kava:

    "The varieties to which this standard refers to are as follows (local vernacular names)

    Vanuatu Kava Noble Varieties (Local names): Melomelo, Asiyai, Biyaj, Palimet, Miela, Olitao, Kelai, Ge wiswisket, Ge gusug, Borogoru, Silese, Melmel, Borogu, Sese, Urukara, Bir Sul, Bir Kar, Palarasul, Palasa, Poivota, Pia, Ahouia, Leay, Amon, Puariki, Pualiu, Naga miwok, Ge vemea

    Fiji Kava varieties: Matakaro, Damu Gona vula,Dokobana vula, Qila balavu, Dokobana loa, Vula kasa
    balavu, Loa kasa leka, Kabra, Loa, Vula kasa leka

    Samoa Kava varieties: Ava Lea, Ava La’au, Ava Loa, Ava Tonga,

    Tonga Kava varieties: Lekakula, Lekakula ‘akau, , Lekahina ‘akau, kava Tea, kava Kula, kava Fulufulu

    Solomon Islands Kava varieties: Melomelo

    FSM Kava varieties: Rahmwahnger

    Kiribati Kava varieties:

    PNG Kava varieties: Kau kupwe (from Baluan Island)"
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  6. Gourmet Hawaiian Kava

    Gourmet Hawaiian Kava Kava Expert Kava Vendor

    Hi guys sorry about the list not coming out right, it was late last night Hawaii time that I posted this. I am fixing it right now and will have it available as all my other posts like this for addition in the wiki part of the forums.
    Headhodge, I will let you know when I have them all together and I can email them to you or what ever you want, let me know how you would prefer the articles. Aloha.

  7. Gourmet Hawaiian Kava

    Gourmet Hawaiian Kava Kava Expert Kava Vendor

    Hay Kapm, thanks for fixing my post, I was going to do that right now and I noticed you did it for me. That is what you get when you are all krunked. Thanks again and aloha.

  8. Just tried (well guzzled) my first Tongan kava tonight..fresh from the farm. WOW ! We only usually get Fiji waka of unknown variety here.

    Top shelf stuff ! Very heady.
  9. LocalBliss

    LocalBliss Finder of the Samoan Kava

    Wow Great job Chris, I appreciate your hard work and dedication.
    I would like to share an experience with you all. In the rural villages of Samoa, they have this strain they refer to as "Ava Giukigi" and I witnessed them use it to catch fish, I am serious. They would pollute an area and literally in seconds, I see the fish float up drunk and the guys just pick them up by hand. I did not see that strain on your sheet.

    Ava is very big in Samoa, it is accepted in the workplace during work hours and in any profession, from offices to carpenters to road crews to farmers etc. The markets have the shells everready, and of course the weekly village meetings.

    Thank you for reading and its great to visit Samoa and ask the villagers to bring you along for ava fishing. It is quite unforgettable.
  10. HeadHodge

    HeadHodge Kneads Kava