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a type of ginger root that has kavain in it??

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starsofclay

Kava Enthusiast
This really interests me. I have this very same ginger plant growing all over my yard!
apparently the root has kavain and dehydrokavain in it. here is a paragraph from a website:

Many plants in the ginger family have culinary or medicinal uses. This
ginger is not commonly used that way but the leaves and roots do contain
the chemicals kavain and dehydrokavain, similar to the kava plant (Piper methysticum) which is known for its relaxing properties. The ground leaves of Alpinia zerumbet have been sold as both an anti-hypertension and anti-stress medication.


http://www.floridata.com/ref/a/alpi_zer_var.cfm

what?? that's crazy. i'm wondering what type of combo this would make with a kava drink! and taste wise, would ginger mix with the peppery taste of kava?
plus we all know that ginger has anti nausea properties, so that's an added bonus!

i'm interested in finding out more about this and how to extract the kavain from the roots of the ginger plant.
 
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starsofclay

Kava Enthusiast
by the way you can find this at most plant stores or nurseries, (at least here in florida) or like lowes or home depot. The picture of the plant that was in that wikipedia page that you posted actually does not look like its supposed to... i think they used the wrong picture.. its supposed to have yellow and green striped leaves
 
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kl.Gray Owl

Kava Enthusiast
starsofclay said:
by the way you can find this at most plant stores or nurseries, (at least here in florida) or like lowes or home depot. The picture of the plant that was in that wikipedia page that you posted actually does not look like its supposed to... i think they used the wrong picture.. its supposed to have yellow and green striped leaves
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I think it's the same species just a different variety, but as with kava (or cannibis) that can make a big difference in how much of the active substances are in it e.g. the strain of hemp that is used for making rope isn't psychoactive at all.  I live in Maryland it might not be hardy that far North, but will take a look.
 
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starsofclay

Kava Enthusiast
found this website:



http://www.nwitimes.com/n...3-a264-2dd6fc9f84f9.html

and this:

http://www.rain-tree.com/shell-flower.htm





the second one doesn't discuss having kavain, but alot of its supposed properties remind me of kava!



oh and now i just want to find a tea recipe to try this out, then will probably use that as my water for kava extraction

also of note, i wonder how to get the kavain out of the ginger if it is not water soluable.. or maybe the ginger will more easily release it i wonder... maybe instead of making a tea, it should be ground up and squeezed in my nylon hose with my kava...

I have decided i shall try a few experiments tomorrow on my day off.

cant wait until my baby kava plant is mature and i can try squeezing these two roots together! (if the taste turns out pleasant)
 
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kl.Gray Owl

Kava Enthusiast
With the ginger root I'd be curious to try making a ginger beer, typically not recommended to mix kavain and alcohol, but ginger beer is supposed to have low alcohol. From what I'm reading true "ginger plant" yeast is almost impossible to get, but folks recommend using an ale yeast like Safale US-05, you want something that isn't going to make it too dry, but regular brewer's yeast is not recommended. Almost makes me want to just make some regular ginger beer. Awhile back ginger beer with Goslings Black Seal Rum was one of my favorite drinks. I guess that only goes to show what my wife says, that I drink disgusting things.
 
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starsofclay

Kava Enthusiast
so, it makes a very light tasting tea, not too zingy, but with a hint of ginger taste. I suppose I could always use more of the root next time.



I can say that I feel some kavain in here, in very slight levels.. which makes sense because it has a minuscule amount of kavain compared to kava, but I can feel it.

is it placebo? possibly, but i was lucky enough to be distracted by an incoming visitor at the door right when i had drank about half a cup, and moments later i was like, OHH i feel like i've been drinking kava!



Now the next test will be how the taste blends with a cup of fu'u, which is my favorite tasting kava, and if the effects synergise.

also i have a batch of ginger ale fermenting :) can't wait to try it!

*UPDATE*

Well taste was improved as expected, although not as much as I wanted. Will definitely have to use more ginger next time, since this is such a mild tasting variety. Another mistake was I wanted to make 2 cups of kava and i had only made one cup of ginger tea, so the other added cup of water diluted the taste a bit.

effects make a very clean, head and body relaxing feel, after 2 shells. I do think the ginger cut some of the peppery aftertaste of the kava a bit, which is good. very happy with this combination.
 
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kl.Gray Owl

Kava Enthusiast
Very cool, so you can grab mature plants, I will have to look for that when the plants start showing up at local nurseries, thanks for the report I was curious. Maybe you could put in some Shaman or Fire Island. I wonder about putting some regular fresh ginger root in kava I may give that a shot, that could be interesting, it does have wonderful effects on the digestive tract.
 
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