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best kind of kava for sleep

lisa

Newbie
Is there a better kava strain for falling asleep? I take melatonin but would also like to take something to make me feel relaxed before bed. I'm new to kava so I have no idea what I'm doing, but was thinking it would be good to buy the powder and strain it to make a drink. It would be nice if someone could recommend a good brand that works.

I want something to help me relax but that's also kind of euphoric, maybe even a blend of a couple different strains
 

The Kap'n

The Groggy Kaptain (40g)
KavaForums Founder
What's your budget? That's really what it comes down to. To unwind and relax with an added happy I'd recommend nambawan from Bula kava house. Great stuff, mild, and very relaxing. It's easy to drink which is an awesome bonus. If you're extremely new I should warn you, kava's taste....well it's a force to be reckoned with.
 

sɥɐʞɐs

Avg. Dosage: 8 Tbsp. (58g)
Review Maestro
Outside of the rare night when kava disrupts my sleep, I've found just about all kavas help me sleep.
To me, the most forcefully sedating kavas would have a 425, 245...chemotype. Think BulaKavaHouse's Boroguru or KavaByRex's Fiji Waka...
A nice balance of feeling good and also sedated with good sleep can be found in a lot of the rest of them, like GourmetHawaiianKava's Mahakea, Mapulehu, Papa Kea, Hiwa...Borogu from anyone...
The least sedating ones have chemotypes like 463. Examples similar to this are usually Tongan kavas and some Hawaiian Kava's like Mo'i & Honokane 'Iki.
 

infraredz

BULA!
Yeah, like the good info Shakas gave you, I personally (and there are a handful others around here) that have some sensitivity to Kavain-rich kavas like Tongans (BKH's Fu'u, KBR Tongan Pride/Lightening, a good amount of Hawaiian kavas like Moi'i) regarding the ability to fall asleep.


It really depends on you, and how you respond to kavas because just because a chemotype (eg. 425-136, 245xxx) gives you some amount of relative knowledge about the relative amounts of each kavalactone, everyone is different to a degree and will respond differently to a given kava.

A lot of people use "heavy" kavas like Boroguru (and I would say even Borogu is sort of heavy) and there are a lot of good vendors carrying Boroguru, as an example: Gourmet Hawaiian Kava, Bula Kava House, Noble Kava, etc.
 

lisa

Newbie
What's your budget? That's really what it comes down to. To unwind and relax with an added happy I'd recommend nambawan from Bula kava house. Great stuff, mild, and very relaxing. It's easy to drink which is an awesome bonus. If you're extremely new I should warn you, kava's taste....well it's a force to be reckoned with.
One day out of curiosity I made tea by boiling astragalus root, and it tasted like the worst kind of dirt you could imagine, so I suppose kava could taste something like that. My price range might be around $30, but it depends on how long it lasts, and I'm willing to pay more for better quality. Also I just looked on the Bula Kava House website and noticed that they don't list measurements for preparing kava. This makes it hard to tell how long a .55 lb bag would last
 

Gradius

Newbie
Hi Lisa,
I find that one tablespoon (6-7 grams) of fijian Waka wil improve my sleep just as much as a recreational dose (20-40 grams for me). A larger dose will also occasionally give me stomach-discomfort which makes it harder to fall asleep. But it seems sensitivity to kava varies a lot from person to person, so you might need to use more than me, and you might tolerate larger doses. Another thing, you should finish your kava at least an hour before you go to bed, since even heavy kavas tend to have an initial stimulating effect that can last up to an hour.
 

infraredz

BULA!
Definitely, even with heavy kava, you should still plan on sleeping about an hour after consuming the kava.

Two things you should note:
1. You might have "reverse tolerance" (RT). This means that in the beginning that you will need more kava than you will after a couple weeks. Some people don't feel the full kava experience the first time, or even in the first week, though if I had to guess I would say that the average person with RT would probably take around 3-7 days to "break through" the reverse tolerance and feel the same effect from the same amount of kava.

Also, or course, according to kavadude's census, around 2/3 of people experience this, and 1/3 don't.

If you do, the length really just depends on you, how much kava you use, how frequently, and how well you prepare your kava. I personally think that a lot of "RT" is due to newer people not knowing how to prepare kava the correct way, though there is a very real possibility that "RT" does still exist but if you do indeed feel it, it isn't the end to your kava experience.
Just continue to consume "as much" kava as possible (not too much of course, but more than, say, 1 tablespoon) every single night and you will gradually feel the effects more and more from the same amount of kava and then there will be a point where you "break through" and really feel the full effect from a given amount of kava.

2. Also based on kavadude's census results, the average amount of kava per "session" seems to be between 4-8 tablespoons of kava, just so you have a ballpark. Of couurse, like Gradius said, you might need only a small amount because there are also those "lightweights" like Vekta that only need 2 tablespoons to feel a significant effect and you will feel the "medicinal" effects from a lower amount than most use. On average, assume that 1tbsp weighs around 7 grams.

Hope that helps. Let us know if you have any other questions.
 
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Deleted User01

And if you feel that you want sleep without heavy effects, I like the GHK Nene for that. This Nene is much stronger than the ones the Hawaiians gave their sick children but it is still gentle. It is almost white in color and easy to drink. Had some last night in fact. And an hour after supper. Alarm clock had to wake me again. But I felt good. All these Hawaiian Kavas seem to have specific uses and I'm having fun finding out their many uses.
Oops, I don't think Chris has posted that one yet. I had a small sample of it. It must be close to ready for sale. Maybe he should post a "Sleep Sampler" and a "Daytime Sampler" Basket. You members need to tell him what you want. He will listen to you.
 

Vekta

Notorious Lightweight
Review Maestro
If straight Boroguru doesn't do it for you a mix of 2 or 3 different cultivars might give you something nice. I still have a bag of Borogu mixed with Boroguru and Marang-marang.

I sleep well on it and usually wake up feeling pretty fresh the morning after.
 
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lisa

Newbie
thanks for the suggestions! I just ordered some boroguru and waka powder from Bulu Kava house..and it costed $45 so I hope it works! :\
(I'm cheap)
 
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Deleted User01

Lisa, you should be fine. Kava is like Coffee or Wine, once you acquire the taste, you will go up the Ladder in search of finer and finer Kavas. But first things first.
 

TidyMinion

Kava Padawan
And if you feel that you want sleep without heavy effects, I like the GHK Nene for that. This Nene is much stronger than the ones the Hawaiians gave their sick children but it is still gentle. It is almost white in color and easy to drink. Had some last night in fact. And an hour after supper. Alarm clock had to wake me again. But I felt good. All these Hawaiian Kavas seem to have specific uses and I'm having fun finding out their many uses.
Oops, I don't think Chris has posted that one yet. I had a small sample of it. It must be close to ready for sale. Maybe he should post a "Sleep Sampler" and a "Daytime Sampler" Basket. You members need to tell him what you want. He will listen to you.
Hey Deleted User01 have you seen his "Promo Pack"? I ordered that last week and have been working my way around 4 different types. It really seems like there is a kava for every occasion in this pack. So far the Micro-Moi is really great and I'm starting in on the Nene. I mixed in some of the Pana Ewa with the Moi for my lake day this past weekend and that was just right! Have yet to try the Boroguru. I'm thinking about starting a review for the "Promo Pack" as a whole and updating it as I make my way through this kava. I also ordered some Micronized-Papa Ele Ele and that's becoming a new favorite of mine. Man, sipping on some Micro-papa and Micro-Nene together (2 teaspoons each) in a jug of coconut milk and chocolate almond milk and...man o' man, it is strong but so smooth and light tasting at the same time. I'm a Micro-Convert :D
 
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Deleted User01

Yes, I have seen the promo. I have quite a bit of Papa Kea and Hiwa to work my way through. I did get a few samples and I can't wait to make "Micronized Nene Syrup". That little guy has potential. I slept real good the first time I tested it. That coconut milk and chocolate almond milk sounds like a hell of a recipe! It sure is nice when you can sip Kava like its fine Wine. When you do your review, you can say, "Here is a nice combo for the lake. Here is a nice combo to curl up with a good book. Here is one to sleep like a little Nene.:D
 

TidyMinion

Kava Padawan
Yeh, I slept well that night after the Nene mix. I know I sleep well if I'm in the 6.5-7.5 hr mark of sleep and have no problem getting up and moving by 6 am the next day. I'll be sure to test the Nene (strongly :hungry:) this weekend as a night cap kava. I really like that one too so far but haven't really had a good session with just it yet.
 
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Deleted User01

Tidyminion, great minds think alike. I have been using both Hiwa and/or Nene as a nitecap. I don't how sessionable it is because I do the high Kavain kava duriing the afternoon to keep me moving in a positive direction. Now I'm going to spill the beans and say that Chris has hinted that the next batch of Nene is something else. Not sure what that means 'cause I like this one fine. I'm not looking to get flattened by it. I just want a really good nights sleep and wake up refreshed. Maybe Chris can elaborate. Meanwhile keep digging and please report your findings.
 

BULABUCK

ROOTLYFE.
Ok so going to nc in july can i put 2 100 gram bags of instant and 6, 50 gram bags in my checked luggage.
 
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Deleted User01

Sure, as long as you don't mind a full body cavity check by a Security Guard named Tiny, then you should be fine. Honestly, talk to Kavadude. He is the go to guy on that one. Maybe someone should call the darn airports and make them aware of this so Tiny doesn't overreact.
 
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