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Finally broke the RT

Johnny Frye

It's all about supply and command
Well it took about a month, 3 and half pounds of kava and a lot of nausea but I can finally say for sure that I broke through RT. It happened yesterday morning, after fasting for 6 or 7 hours I drank a few shells of Kalm's Tongan and BAM! I gotta say, kava is fantastic. ::awesomesmiles:: Relaxing as hell but I can still interact with people and even work a shift at my fast-paced job. The only problem is now I'm out of kava and I'll have to wait until my next payday to get some more. Definitely gonna pick up some more Tongan (which I think has an excellent chemotype), and maybe even some of the kava stress candy I've been hearing so much about.

Peace out brothas! ::happyshell::
 

Johnny Frye

It's all about supply and command
@Steve Mariotti So my new bag of Pouni Ono arrived this morning, I kneaded up a solid 5tbsp's and chugged... And the effect was barely a quarter of what I experienced last time. I had a very light breakfast of 1 scrambed egg like an hour and a half before the shell. Am I kneading it wrong? Do I have to knead longer than 5mins? Or is it the dosage? Bc at this rate I'll be done with my 1/2lb bag in two days.
 

Steve Mariotti

Kavapithecus Krunkarensis
Review Maestro
It may be that you're not kneading it long enough. Five minutes may not do the trick. It's also not necessarily about how long you knead it so much as how much pressure you've applied during that time. Do you twist your kneading bag periodically as hard as you can to get as much moisture out as possible? Do you crush it against the bottom of the bowl when kneading under water? Do you squeeze your fingers together and squish the wet root around in the bag a bunch?

A good indication of kneading effectiveness is how quickly the liquid in the bowl around the bag becomes cloudy with that "milky" quality. I usually knead for 10 minutes, after soaking the medium grind powder for about 5-10 minutes.

A typical prep session goes like this for me. I just had a nice Mo'i session last night, and this is what I did (and usually do):
  1. Got my bowl out, and put my empty dry kneading bag in it.
  2. Scooped out 3 heaping tablespoons of medium grind root and dumped it in the bag sitting in the bowl.
  3. Ran approximately 2 cups of warm tap water into the bag, and went in there with my tablespoon and stirred it all around.
  4. I let this sit like this (root in bag, bag in bowl) for 5-10 minutes before coming back to it. Sometimes I cruise through and stir it up again.
  5. Twist the top of the bag a bunch of times, forcing all the air out of the bag.
  6. Squeeze and squish the bag to get most of the water out of it until I start to feel the root inside and most of the water's out. What's inside feels like maybe a squishy latex stress ball, the kind that has oiled sand inside. Or maybe some really thick oatmeal. At this point, the runoff from inside the bag will be cloudy, but somewhat translucent and not milky.
  7. Now I do the hard work. That is, squeezing it between my fingers, squishing it back and forth inside the bag, pressing down really hard against the bottom of the bowl to mash it, closing my fist around the bag as hard as I can with my fingers separated so it gooshes out a bit between my fingers within the bag, etc. I do this for a few minutes, all the while submerged in the water.
  8. Then I take the bag out of the water, hold it over the bowl, and give it a huge twist and squeeze until I can't get any more liquid out of it. Lots of pressure. I use nylon bags, so I can't tear them so I try as hard as I can to tear them by twisting. Tons of pressure.
  9. At this point, the water should now have that milky quality. How quickly this milky quality comes indicates how well you're doing with the squeezing. Prepared kava liquid is a colloid, and should look like one.
  10. Then I submerge it again, and squish and separate what feels like modelling clay that's in the bag at this point until the water comes back in. I'm looking for that thick oatmeal feeling again.
  11. Then I go back to step 7 and repeat all of this until about 10 minutes are up.
Sometimes my forearms feel like they're on fire afterwards. If my grip strength starts to drop, I take a few minutes off and come back for more kneading. If I've been to the gym that day, I often have to take periodic breaks because my arms are already tired.

I used to knead for 15 minutes or more, but now I just do 5-10 minutes of really intense kneading and am getting better results.
 

Johnny Frye

It's all about supply and command
@Steve Mariotti Thanks man! I have been twisting it somewhat intensely, but not until ALL the water is out of my strainer (I'm using a thin washcloth so I have to watch out for tearing it). I'll give it another go using your methods right now.
 

Steve Mariotti

Kavapithecus Krunkarensis
Review Maestro
@Steve Mariotti Thanks man! I have been twisting it somewhat intensely, but not until ALL the water is out of my strainer (I'm using a thin washcloth so I have to watch out for tearing it). I'll give it another go using your methods right now.
Consider investing in a nut milk bag. They're easy to work with, clean up easily and will take all the punishment you can give them without fear of doing any damage.
 

Jonathan

All Hail Leon
Consider investing in a nut milk bag. They're easy to work with, clean up easily and will take all the punishment you can give them without fear of doing any damage.
That's a great idea. I've been using a cotton muslin bag for my kneading, and have already torn two of them open. :( I need to find something stronger that will withstand the pressure. In fact I ordered some instant because I destroyed both of the bags I had... Hoping to get back to the med. grind, maybe next week...
 

Shot

Newbie
I guess I had an early break through. I definitely experienced some effects the second night & the second batch, which was about an hour ago. I don't think it was as good as it's going to be but seems like a great start to me. I was pleasantly surprised.
 

Sadie

Kava Enthusiast
So from reading the above can I ask what is the best way of kneading and straining? I have the Nut Milk Bag recommended by Steve Mariotti but I do my kneading in a nylon sock then strain through the Nut Milk Bag and I'm left with a greasy lump in the strainer bag - is this good for re-straining? I usually do my second strain with what is left in the nylon sock - I'm a bit confused about what I should be second straining - is what's left in the Nut Milk Bag potent? Don't want to be wasting my Kava!
 

HeadHodge

Bula To Eternity
Sounds like a great success story to me!!!

Old fortune cookie proverb: What you don't knead you don't need. :)

::chugger::
 

Sadie

Kava Enthusiast
I guess I don't just use the Nut Milk Bag as I don't really know how to get a second strain from the pulp at the bottom - do I just dunk it back in water and knead for 5 mins and that's it? I find with the nylon sock I can really get it in there to the water and got for it and I mean go for it - don't know
 

Steve Mariotti

Kavapithecus Krunkarensis
Review Maestro
Yeah, you can just re-wet the contents of the bag. I'm surprised you use the nylons and the nut milk bag for prep. You could even more easily toss the nylons and do everything in the nut milk bag.
 
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