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Zaphod

Kava Lover
100% agree. Kava extracts and Kavalactone isolates are not kava. Just as caffeine is not coffee. While maybe they have their uses (medically or recreation) they are not the future of kava. The future of kava is introducing more people to the wonderful water based extraction beverage as traditionally prepared for many, many generations. It is as awesome beverage as-is. I am not a big fan of what has happened in the other well known plant industry with high extract edibles and isolates. It will only cause more issues in the long run and really not necessary for kava.

Just to be clear I have used and in general have no issues with extracts for use - but that won't be the future of the kava industry. If we want to spend money on better kava science it should be focused on more efficient growing, and harvesting kava, better kava testing, and the physiological and pharmacological benefits of the water based beverage.
 

SashaShiva

Kava Curious
100% agree. Kava extracts and Kavalactone isolates are not kava. Just as caffeine is not coffee. While maybe they have their uses (medically or recreation) they are not the future of kava. The future of kava is introducing more people to the wonderful water based extraction beverage as traditionally prepared for many, many generations. It is as awesome beverage as-is. I am not a big fan of what has happened in the other well known plant industry with high extract edibles and isolates. It will only cause more issues in the long run and really not necessary for kava.

Just to be clear I have used and in general have no issues with extracts for use - but that won't be the future of the kava industry. If we want to spend money on better kava science it should be focused on more efficient growing, and harvesting kava, better kava testing, and the physiological and pharmacological benefits of the water based beverage.
A huge boundary to Kava is the flavor. And if you could eat a small pressed tablet that would be the easiest way to have both mass production and acceptance.

What you are saying makes sense, but many can not tolerate the taste.

Most extracts do not solve this.

Extracts can be put in veggie caps, but those are very time consuming to prepare. Even with the trays, it is not as easy as a pill tablet.

If someone had an extract of 50-60mg or even 100mg of active ingredient, bonding material, a hammer, a frame thing and a pill brand (a stamp that you hammer into the powder and bonding material to make a pill, this is how ecstacy is made with Transformer prints, and Louie Vutton prints, and Dolphins and Monkeys, etc). A Kava Tablet could be yellow Monkeys. But that is still kind of time consuming, while definitely the most aesthetically pleasing.

The most effective on all fronts would be a semi-auto or auto press. And eventually, customized Kavalactone content, Isolates, etc.
 

kasa_balavu

Yaqona Dina
100% agree. Kava extracts and Kavalactone isolates are not kava. Just as caffeine is not coffee. While maybe they have their uses (medically or recreation) they are not the future of kava. The future of kava is introducing more people to the wonderful water based extraction beverage as traditionally prepared for many, many generations. It is as awesome beverage as-is. I am not a big fan of what has happened in the other well known plant industry with high extract edibles and isolates. It will only cause more issues in the long run and really not necessary for kava.

Just to be clear I have used and in general have no issues with extracts for use - but that won't be the future of the kava industry. If we want to spend money on better kava science it should be focused on more efficient growing, and harvesting kava, better kava testing, and the physiological and pharmacological benefits of the water based beverage.
My comment was terse... rude even, so thank you for your post, which happens to put into words what I feel about this topic.


You will not find a Yangonin product online yet, but that is probably the future of Kava Kava.
Yangonin is the future of Yangonin. My biggest issue with the kava industry is the mislabelling of kavalactones/extracts. They are not kava.

If a kavalactone such as Yangonin turns out to be useful in an isolated form, then that's great, but don't call it kava.
 

kavakarma

Kava Enthusiast
if you do not like the flavor Kava may not be for you.

Try a different cultivar and preparation. The traditional beverage flavor can be changed by cultivar, where it was grown. By ratio of heart to lateral root. By temperature of water used to brew, as well as temperature served at. By being prepared in the undiluted pure juice of fruit or vegetables, being brewed in milk made from nuts. squeezing effectively, water to root ratio, and duration of squeeze session also impact flavor and texture. The biggest contributer I have mentioned affecting the taste of your Kava is where it's from.
 

SashaShiva

Kava Curious
Last weekend I was shown Punic Wax while doing research on enzymes and Tree Gums, after having done Saponification research for my Wife. I also realized something not mentioned in any Scientific Literature, which is that the Punics likely used Ashes.

So far the recipe they have gotten to scientifically is "Beeswax and Soap", but what the ancients were doing was adding Resins, Gums, Rosins, Fats, Oils and Balsams in the Beeswax, then Saponifying with Ash or Sodalime or both, and Ocean Water was for Boiling with Salt and Sodium Biocarbonate, which Saponifies.

So we will launch the educational series, and Silpa Sastra, tomorrow here
http://www.punicwax.com/2020/08/discovering-punic-wax.html

And we will be creating entirely new forms of Punic Wax, and using it to make Incense and Soap. I want other people to copy the tech.
 
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