Make your own Instant (via Kavafied)

[The Kap'n]

Aluball + Aeropress

Check this out. What a great idea.

https://www.getkavafied.com/blogs/the-kavafied-times/make-your-own-instant-kava-extract

 

[TheKavaFlow]

I'm curious what the resulting liquid is like... As in, could it still work since that filter might still allow for oils and such to pass through?

 

[Gourmet Hawaiian Kava]

Just to be clear, this is a great idea and I love that press, but it is not a true instant. True instant kava is made from fresh undried kava. They make the drink from the fresh root then they dehydrate that. They do not use dry powder to make instant. I actually make my instant in a different way. I do not dehydrate it, I pour the water off and then dry the kava sludge at the bottom of the bowl, so there is no water to dehydrate, only instant kava to dry.
The way that @Kavafied is doing it is just a micronized kava.
Micronized kava is kava that has been ground down to a micron size powder makas and all but there is also the micronized kava that is made my sifting the medium grind kava, you can do this dry and use a 75 micron screen.
Aloha.

Chris

 

[recentreturn]

Maybe it could be called instant medium grind; provided it has all the stuff that would be in prepped medium grind (which brings us back to Kava Flow's question). The sludge looks pretty similar to the sludge that forms when I spill strong kava and it dries.

 

[Pauluk]

Just to be clear, this is a great idea and I love that press, but it is not a true instant. True instant kava is made from fresh undried kava. They make the drink from the fresh root then they dehydrate that. They do not use dry powder to make instant. I actually make my instant in a different way. I do not dehydrate it, I pour the water off and then dry the kava sludge at the bottom of the bowl, so there is no water to dehydrate, only instant kava to dry.
The way that @Kavafied is doing it is just a micronized kava.
Micronized kava is kava that has been ground down to a micron size powder makas and all but there is also the micronized kava that is made my sifting the medium grind kava, you can do this dry and use a 75 micron screen.
Aloha.

Chris

I have your instant nene. It is my favourite. Even managed to get the wife to have some in her hot chocolate.

 

[Krunkie McKrunkface]

The K McK official verdict: it’s all good, whether it is 3,487,928,861 angels dancing on the head of a pin or 3,487,928,857. It’s kava, and kava is good.

 

[The Kap'n]

Maybe it could be called instant medium grind; provided it has all the stuff that would be in prepped medium grind (which brings us back to Kava Flow's question). The sludge looks pretty similar to the sludge that forms when I spill strong kava and it dries.

At Home Instant™

 

[TheKavaFlow]

Those paper filters aren't going to catch dissolved kavalactones, so this seems potentially wasteful. The best way to find out would be to evaporate the leftover water, and see what is recovered.

That's why I was thinking you could drink the resulting liquid that hopefully passed KL's through the filter. You don't happen to have an aeropress, do you, Garry? ;-)

 

[verticity]

Interesting, but a couple comments:

- The pore size of a coffee filter is about 20 microns. That will catch larger particles, but smaller micelles in the emulsion will pass through. For example in milk, which is an emulsion, particle sizes are about 0.25-10 microns.
https://www.azom.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=13760
I assume the average particle size is larger in kava--evidenced by their tendency to sink to the bottom, vs. millk which is a more stable suspension--so am not sure what percent would be lost.

- In any method where the water is filtered off or poured off, rather than evaporated, most of the water soluble chemicals, such as glutathione (which might be good for you to drink), will be lost.

 

[recentreturn]

The K McK official verdict: it’s all good, whether it is 3,487,928,861 angels dancing on the head of a pin or 3,487,928,857. It’s kava, and kava is good.

Contrary to popular opinion. I think its always worthwhile to discuss how many can fit on the end of a pin. But as you said, its all good either way.

 

[recentreturn]

Interesting, but a couple comments:

- The pore size of a coffee filter is about 20 microns. That will catch larger particles, but smaller micelles in the emulsion will pass through. For example in milk, which is an emulsion, particle sizes are about 0.25-10 microns.
https://www.azom.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=13760
I assume the average particle size is larger in kava--evidenced by their tendency to sink to the bottom, vs. millk which is a more stable suspension--so am not sure what percent would be lost.

- In any method where the water is filtered off or poured off, rather than evaporated, most of the water soluble chemicals, such as glutathione (which might be good for you to drink), will be lost.

But are some kavalactones water soluble?

 

[recentreturn]

In any case, you could do like he said: save the sludge (ehem: At Home Instant) for your ice cream; then immediately take the water you had left over and used it to make medium grind the normal way(s).

 

[verticity]

But are some kavalactones water soluble?

Only slightly
...
Let's see
This site
https://comptox.epa.gov/dashboard/dsstoxdb/results?search=Kavain
has a predicted solubility of between 1E-4 to 5E-3 mol/L for kavain. Molar mass of kavain is approx 230 g/mol, so that's somewhere between 23-1000 mg/L. So, if the actual solubility is on the high end of that, yes, even though it is slightly soluble, you could still dissolve up to a gram in a liter of water, which would be a significant amount that could be lost if you throw out the water..

Of course if the water is warm, the solubility would be higher...

 

[ThatDankK]

I pretty much already posted a method to make your own instant without an aeropress, but that is pretty neat. Check my experiment thread in the kavalounge! Its quite easy without having any extra equipment.

 

[Zaphod]

Interesting. Of course I wouldn't "throw out" the water. Probably slug it down so nothing goes to waste.