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My first experience with Kava

librarian

Kava Curious
Hello everyone, i just registered today and i would like to share my personal experience, but most of all to gather advice.

Long story short: i have been suffering from insomnia for two years during which the quality of my life lowered terribly.
I thought it was caused by depression, because i always woke up at 5 o' clock in the morning and i read that waking up at dawn is a sign of depression.
Anyway, take into account that, basically, i have always been an anxious kind of person so from time to time i believed that anxiety was somehow involved in my problem and that that too had an impact.
I tried many remedies because i am against benzos (i regard them as poisons and toxics for the body), and i noticed some kind of light relief only when i started taking hypericum perforatum. This fact enhanced my belief that depression was the cause of my insomnia.
Now my insomnia changed and i don't wake up at dawn anymore, i sleep eight hours but my sleep is never restorative so i wake up tired each day (this is probably due to the several awakenings i have during the night)

As for kava, unfortunately, i live in a country where kava is considered "not legal", and so it was quite difficult to get my hands on it but at last i found a shop where they imported kava from abroad so i managed to buy it.

The kind of kava i bought is this one:
http://www.lanaturals.com/item.php?item=1134211

The recommended quantity is 30 drops. Because i always want to start gradually, i took just 10 drops with water and then i went to bed.

I woke up after a couple of hours whilst experiencing a nightmare (i was driving a jeep trying to climb a steep mountain with it but the vehicle couldn't go on any further so it stopped in the middle of the ascent and i feared it was going to fall backwards).
I was hot (though i was not sweating) and i had to put off my pyjamas despite it's almost winter. I also felt a feeling in the stomach (though i would not call it a stomach ache) that lasted for a very brief time, it just felt like my stomach was in turmoil. My heart was beating faster.
I sat down and calmed me down. After twenty minutes i went back to sleep and i slept like a baby, i can frankly say that i had my best night in two years, since my insomnia problem began. I woke up at seven o'clock sleeping a total of eight hours. I felt fresh and energetic the whole day, something that has not happened to me in the last two years.

I was flabbergasted by the effect and i was almost moved to tears by the joy of having find the solution to my problem.
Now, the point is: in december i am going to be checked by a neurologist and she'll surely prescribe me sleeping pills or some benzos (also because i made an exam recently that highlighted i have more than ten awakenings during the night. I surely can't talk to her about kava, i doubt she knows what it is and she has faith only in the power of benzos (i know it, i already talked with her on another occasion when i explained her that i was trying to solve my problem with the help of ayurvedic medicine, and she was very skeptic).

Now, it seems that i am very sensitive to kava (i just took ten drops and they fixed almost "magically" my problem), i would like to ask if any of you tried or have opinions about the kind of kava i tried (LA naturals).
I do not know what it fixed in me,if its effect was on depression or on anxiety or both, but the result was amazing for me and i'd like to try again.
 

verticity

I'm interested in things
In my experience benzos are very effective, and also insidiously dangerous. I had a run in with them a number of years ago, and now I avoid them like the plague. I believe kava is a much safer and less personality-altering alternative. I would recommend that you be honest with your neurologist about your kava use. It may be "illegal" in your country, but doctors deal all the time with people using hard drugs that are "really illegal" and she won't report you to the police or anything (I'm guessing you're in Australia? If you're in Singapore or something I'd be more careful.)
 

librarian

Kava Curious
thanks for your reply.
I feel so unlucky now to have learnt that i bought a somewhat "dangerous" type of kava, because it was extracted with ethanol...
if it wasn't for this, i would drink it each night...the relief i experienced was amazing- i hope someone in the forum pops up who has tried this kava label and who can share his experience with me, or can tell me more about products from this firm.
Maybe i'll try with even less drops, maybe just five...but now i am full of fears for my liver after what i've read here..so are we sure 100% that kava extracted with ethanol is to be avoided at all costs? no doubts at all?
 

verticity

I'm interested in things
thanks for your reply.
I feel so unlucky now to have learnt that i bought a somewhat "dangerous" type of kava, because it was extracted with ethanol...
if it wasn't for this, i would drink it each night...the relief i experienced was amazing- i hope someone in the forum pops up who has tried this kava label and who can share his experience with me, or can tell me more about products from this firm.
Maybe i'll try with even less drops, maybe just five...but now i am full of fears for my liver after what i've read here..so are we sure 100% that kava extracted with ethanol is to be avoided at all costs? no doubts at all?
No we are not 100% sure that ethanol extract causes liver damage. It's kind of conjecture at this point, I think. Short-term use is probably OK, but you ought to try to get your hands on some powdered root. Maybe you could ask one of the vendors here to send some with "discreet" packaging.
 

Vekta

Notorious Lightweight
Review Maestro
Can you get kava candy in your country since it's....candy?

We have a vendor on the forum that sells candy with kava in it. 2-3 at one time might do something for you.

And welcome to the tribe.::happyshell::
 
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kavadude

❦ॐ tanuki tamer
Have you considered a sleep study for your multiple awakenings per night?

I had depression and sleep issues for years, and it turns out I have sleep apnea which was causing the depression, among many other fun things. Worth a look.
 

Prince Philip

Duke of Edinborogu
Apnea... such a problem. It's like being hit with an idiot stick, because your brain is never "on" enough to process.
 

librarian

Kava Curious
Have you considered a sleep study for your multiple awakenings per night?

I had depression and sleep issues for years, and it turns out I have sleep apnea which was causing the depression, among many other fun things. Worth a look.
yes i already had a sleep study and it highlighted multiple awakenings problem. Basically my sleep is not peaceful due to real life issues i suppose, hence the non-restorative feeling.i am going to the neurologist this month- in order to help her prescribe me the closest (which resembles most) to kava- benzo, to which one do you think i should compare it? Maybe diazepam? Xanax?Obviously i'll try to avoid all this (i ordered kava powder and it's on its way here), but you know-just in case..which benzo in your opinion is most similar to kava in its effects on the body or on brain chemistry?
 

verticity

I'm interested in things
yes i already had a sleep study and it highlighted multiple awakenings problem. Basically my sleep is not peaceful due to real life issues i suppose, hence the non-restorative feeling.i am going to the neurologist this month- in order to help her prescribe me the closest (which resembles most) to kava- benzo, to which one do you think i should compare it? Maybe diazepam? Xanax?Obviously i'll try to avoid all this (i ordered kava powder and it's on its way here), but you know-just in case..which benzo in your opinion is most similar to kava in its effects on the body or on brain chemistry?
Benzos differ mainly by how quickly they are metabolized by your body. I don't think there is such a thing as a safe benzo, but generally the ones that are metabolized more slowly are relatively less addictive and easier to taper off of. Xanax is among the worst because of it's short half-life. Some examples from longest to shortest acting:
Valium (diazepam) > Klonopin (clonazepam) > Xanax (alprazolam) > Halcion (triazolam)
EDIT: I should add that I don't think there are any benzos that are comparable to kava. They are qualitatively different. Benzos can cause disinhibition (doing dumb stuff you regret later) and actual addiction/dependence. Kava does neither of those things.
 
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