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Since kava affects cannabinoid receptors

Zac Imiola (Herbalist)

Kava Connoisseur
Can someone like @verticity translate this for us and maybe since yangonin shows CB1 activity we can get a better underanding
this is about cannabinoid receptors not cannabis*

Receptors

The two known cannabinoid receptors, designated type 1 (CB1R) and type 2 (CB2R), are Gi/o protein–coupled, seven-transmembrane domain receptors (GPCRs) with different tissue distributions and functions. The CB1R is the most abundantly expressed GPCR in the central nervous system (CNS) (2, 3), and in the human brain the highest levels of CNR1 (the gene encoding for CB1R) transcription occur in hippocampus, striatum, cortex, and amygdala, with intermediate levels in cerebellum (4, 5). The level of CB1R expression in human cerebellum (3) is lower than in primates and rodents, possibly explaining why catalepsy is one of the tetrad of definitive behaviors seen in rodents exposed to cannabinoids (6) but cannabis-induced catatonia is rarely observed in humans (7) (Supplemental Figure 1a). In contrast, CB2R expression is generally low in the CNS, where it is restricted mostly to microglia, but is high in peripheral immune cells and tissues (8). Microglial CB2R expression increases dramatically following neuropathic injury or inflammatory encephalomyelitis (9), which is why CB2R is an attractive pain management and immune modulatory target, particularly because CB2R agonists do not induce THC-like psychoactivity (2). Even so, there is some evidence of CB2R expression in the rodent brain (10), although a consensus on whether CB2R is expressed at a significant functional level has not yet been achieved. However, several groups have produced data demonstrating CB2R in different neural tissues and have shown CB2R knockout animals demonstrate not only altered electrophysiological responses (10a) but also behavioral memory deficits (10b). Human positron emission tomography (PET) brain imaging studies show negligible, if any, CB2R ligand-specific binding in the brain of healthy individuals, which might reflect the poor sensitivity of these ligands for detecting low levels of CB2R (Supplemental Figure 1b).

The CB1Rs are located primarily on GABAergic and glutamatergic neuronal presynaptic terminals, where they serve to restrict neurotransmitter release and modulate neuronal firing. This is accomplished by inhibiting the voltage-gated calcium channels that control neurotransmitter release and by activating inwardly rectifying potassium channels that reduce the probability of neuronal firing (2). Upon CB1R activation, the receptors' associated G protein subunits uncouple; these subunits interact with ion channels, thereby modulating protein kinase A (PKA) (by inhibiting cyclic adenosine monophosphate synthesis) and upregulating extracellular signal–regulated kinase (ERK) pathways (11). Whereas ion channel modulation allows ECBs to very rapidly downregulate neuronal circuits, it is the kinases that mediate the long-lasting effects of cannabinoids. One example is the tolerance that develops with chronic cannabis exposure, which is a function of CB1R expression downregulation and is modulated by ERK–β-arrestin interactions (12). CB1R expression is a dynamic event: Soon after the receptors are activated, they are internalized from the membrane into endosomes. Some of these CB1Rs will return to the membrane, whereas others become destined for proteolysis. The balance between the rate of membrane expression and internalization regulates the number of active receptors on both pre- and postsynaptic membranes (13) (see the sidebar, Synaptic Distribution of Endocannabinoid Agonists). The ERK stimulation that follows CB1R activation plays a role in tuning this overall system, which controls CB1R levels during periods of both high CB1R activation and high synaptic activity (12). Receptor internalization is driven by the binding of β-arrestin to CB1R as soon as the G proteins disassociate, but the affinity of the interaction between the receptor and β-arrestin determines whether it will be returned to the membrane or broken down (14). Different CB1R agonists induce varying levels of engagement between the receptor and β-arrestin and therefore are more or less powerful inducers of CB1R downregulation and tolerance (14). However, the degree to which an agonist induces a tight bond with β-arrestin may not be related to its relative efficacy at inducing other CB1R-related downstream signals. For example, THC is not as efficacious as AEA or 2-AG at activating PKA or ERK pathways (15), but it is significantly more effective at promoting β-arrestin association, receptor internalization, and ultimately tolerance to its effects (16).
 

Zac Imiola (Herbalist)

Kava Connoisseur
Whole study here
http://annualreviews.org/doi/full/10.1146/annurev-pharmtox-010716-104615#_i2
Thus is also interesting..

Glutathione seems to be involved
Glutathione has been proposed as a link between AEA and TRPV1 and between 2-AG and DGL, but glutathione enhances both processes similarly (44). Although the exact mechanism is unclear, serendipitous data confirm the presence of coordination between 2-AG and AEA (45). In different studies, researchers knocked out the α and β DGL isoforms (46, 47), which led to an 80% reduction in 2-AG but also to a 40% reduction in AEA levels. Moreover, in one of the studies, AEA levels were restored by MGL inhibition (46).
 

verticity

I'm interested in things
OK, I'll just talk about kava, and whether the cannabinoid receptors might be significant for the pharmacology of kava.

First, the affinity of a drug for a receptor can be expressed by a Ki value (the "inhibitor constant"). The lower this number is, the higher affinity the drug has for the receptor. However this number only tells you how much the drug molecule likes to interact with the the receptor. It does not tell you anything about what effect the drug has on the receptor. The drug might be an agonist (i.e., it might stimulate the receptor in the same way as endogenous neurotransmitters), or it might be an a partial agonist, meaning it partially stimulates the receptor, or it might be an antagonist, meaning it binds to the receptor, but does nothing; it just blocks the receptor and prevents it from functioning.

In one paper (A. Ligresti et al, Pharmacological Research, 2012, 66(2) 163-169) they looked at the Ki values of kavalactones for CB1 and CB2 receptors. For yangonin, they found the following values:
CB1: Ki = 0.72 μM (the units are "micromolar", which refers to the concentration of drug)
CB2: Ki > 10 μM
By way of contrast, the Ki values of THC are (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahydrocannabinol):
CB1: Ki = 10 nM ("nanomolar")
CB2: Ki = 24 nM
So in other words, yangonin has about 100 times less affinity for CB1 than THC does, and it's effect on CB2 is more than 1,000 times smaller. Also, remember, these affinity numbers say nothing at all about what, if any, actual effect yangonin might have on CB1.

The above reference is the only primary source about the yangonin-CB1 interaction that I can find. There are other sources that cite it, but as far as I can tell, that one paper is the only actual research that has been done. I have only seen the abstract, not the complete paper, but in the abstract, no conclusions are drawn about whether yangonin is an agonist, partial agonist, or antagonist of CB1, and nothing is said about how potent the physiological effect might be at all.

What are the effects of potent CB1 agonists?
- Disruption of short term memory
- Distortions in the perception of time and space
- Euphoria
- Paranoia
- Anxiety
among others. Kava can cause euphoria, and occasionally anxiety, although much more often the opposite of anxiety. But kava never causes memory problems, distortions of space and time or paranoia. Now the euphoric effect of kava can readily be explained by other neurological mechanisms having nothing to do with CB1 receptors. Likewise, the occasional anxiety cause by kava can be explained other ways. The fact that kava does not cause memory issues is key, because the memory effects of potent CB1 agonists are specifically caused by the effect of stimulating CB1 receptors on the hippocampus. Kava has no such effect, which suggests that either it is not a potent agonist of CB1, or it could be an antagonist.

So, I really don't think that the endocannabinoid system plays any significant role in the pharmacology of kava, or in it's subjective effects. Is it possible that the effect of yangonin on CB1 receptors has some very subtle influence on the overall kava experience? Yes, it is possible, but far from proven, and in any event it plays a very small role.
 

The Kap'n

The Groggy Kaptain (40g)
KavaForums Founder
OK, I'll just talk about kava, and whether the cannabinoid receptors might be significant for the pharmacology of kava.

First, the affinity of a drug for a receptor can be expressed by a Ki value (the "inhibitor constant"). The lower this number is, the higher affinity the drug has for the receptor. However this number only tells you how much the drug molecule likes to interact with the the receptor. It does not tell you anything about what effect the drug has on the receptor. The drug might be an agonist (i.e., it might stimulate the receptor in the same way as endogenous neurotransmitters), or it might be an a partial agonist, meaning it partially stimulates the receptor, or it might be an antagonist, meaning it binds to the receptor, but does nothing; it just blocks the receptor and prevents it from functioning.

In one paper (A. Ligresti et al, Pharmacological Research, 2012, 66(2) 163-169) they looked at the Ki values of kavalactones for CB1 and CB2 receptors. For yangonin, they found the following values:
CB1: Ki = 0.72 μM (the units are "micromolar", which refers to the concentration of drug)
CB2: Ki > 10 μM
By way of contrast, the Ki values of THC are (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahydrocannabinol):
CB1: Ki = 10 nM ("nanomolar")
CB2: Ki = 24 nM
So in other words, yangonin has about 100 times less affinity for CB1 than THC does, and it's effect on CB2 is more than 1,000 times smaller. Also, remember, these affinity numbers say nothing at all about what, if any, actual effect yangonin might have on CB1.

The above reference is the only primary source about the yangonin-CB1 interaction that I can find. There are other sources that cite it, but as far as I can tell, that one paper is the only actual research that has been done. I have only seen the abstract, not the complete paper, but in the abstract, no conclusions are drawn about whether yangonin is an agonist, partial agonist, or antagonist of CB1, and nothing is said about how potent the physiological effect might be at all.

What are the effects of potent CB1 agonists?
- Disruption of short term memory
- Distortions in the perception of time and space
- Euphoria
- Paranoia
- Anxiety
among others. Kava can cause euphoria, and occasionally anxiety, although much more often the opposite of anxiety. But kava never causes memory problems, distortions of space and time or paranoia. Now the euphoric effect of kava can readily be explained by other neurological mechanisms having nothing to do with CB1 receptors. Likewise, the occasional anxiety cause by kava can be explained other ways. The fact that kava does not cause memory issues is key, because the memory effects of potent CB1 agonists are specifically caused by the effect of stimulating CB1 receptors on the hippocampus. Kava has no such effect, which suggests that either it is not a potent agonist of CB1, or it could be an antagonist.

So, I really don't think that the endocannabinoid system plays any significant role in the pharmacology of kava, or in it's subjective effects. Is it possible that the effect of yangonin on CB1 receptors has some very subtle influence on the overall kava experience? Yes, it is possible, but far from proven, and in any event it plays a very small role.
Posts like this remind me why we installed the "bookmark" feature. This is bookmark-able material.
 

YourOlePalAl

Kava Curious
But what about overall dose? A "dose" of THC in an edible is 10mg. What's a kavalactone dose? How much Yangonin would you get in a kava sesh?
 

verticity

I'm interested in things
But what about overall dose? A "dose" of THC in an edible is 10mg. What's a kavalactone dose? How much Yangonin would you get in a kava sesh?
A shell of kava contains about 500 mg total of kavalactones. Yangonin is typically 10-20% of the total KLs. That's about 75mg of yangonin per shell. If you drink 4 shells in a session you would get approx 300 mg of yangonin. Since yangonin has 100 times less affinity for CB-1 receptors, that would be equivalent to the affinity of 3 mg of THC. However affinity does not tell you anything about effects. Based on kava's observed lack of cannabis-like effects, it is reasonable to assume that yangonin is not a full CB1 agonist like THC, but either a partial agonist (in which case 3 mg of yangonin would have a much weaker effect than 3 mg of THC) or an antagonist, in which case it would have either no effect or an opposite effect.
 

Nirad

Kava Curious
Also as far as effects some substances can be an inverse agonist causing an opposite effect (now that I re-read verticity's post it may essentially say the same thing). I'm not sure what that would translate effect wise for CB receptors but things like Naloxone are partial inverse agonists on the μ receptor which seems to make some people more sensitive.
 

ThePiper

Kava Lover
I wonder how much cacao affects cb receptors compared to kava, because that is one that causes no time distortion, paranoia, etc but is largely discussed for the check receptor satisfaction it supposedly triggers. Also, is cbd a cb2 agonist only? Because that has a lot more similarities to kava in terms of anxiety reduction, muscle relaxation, and sedation compared to thc
 

Zac Imiola (Herbalist)

Kava Connoisseur
Kava definitely has cannabis like effects with certain strains... as kavassuer once pointed to the cannabis like effects of hanakapi ai ... the space it kind of created... and to think that it would be like cannabis in a true way is to assume all things that hit cannabinoid receptors are going to be like thc.. personally I think it could explain the Munchy phenomenon that occurs with only certain heady strains in small doses...
Also cacao has a good amount of anandamide which is our endogenous cannabinoid.
And as you said it clearly does affect the cb1 while being super clear headed just like kava ..
 
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