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kl.FS315

Kava Curious
Somewhat related to my previous post but different enough to warrant a new thread:

Everything I can find instructs that sublingual is a superior route of administration for a psychoactive such as Kava.  Sublingual is a much more efficient way to deliver more kava into the bloodstream than oral ingestion as gastric juices (bile) degrades/destroys a significant percentage.  Whether or not this is practical/feasible is an entirely different issue though since as little as 2 tablespoons would probably require 6-8 large "horse" sized caps to contain it all.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sublingual_administration
 
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kl.jjs6067

Kava Curious
This is a rather interesting method; i never thought of indulging in kava by using a sublingual method. I did some digging and found a "recipe" for the sublingual use of kava that utilizes big red chewing gum to help diminish the brute taste of kava:



http://www2.kavaforum.org/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=519



Might be worth checking out. In fact, I'm going to try this sometime with my Chief's Jungle and report back the results.
 
Ed!

Ed!

Kava Enthusiast
I'm really curious about this too. I started holding the kava in my mouth before drinking it down to see if I could get better results...... and indeed I was getting better results, but having *just* started drinking kava at all I can't say if that is a contributing factor or just happenstance.
 
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kl.jjs6067

Kava Curious
Ed said:
I'm really curious about this too. I started holding the kava in my mouth before drinking it down to see if I could get better results...... and indeed I was getting better results, but having *just* started drinking kava at all I can't say if that is a contributing factor or just happenstance.
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Interesting, did you hold dry root in your mouth and wash it down with water or did you swish around the kava already made? Also, about long did keep the kava in your mouth before ingesting?
 
Ed!

Ed!

Kava Enthusiast
I swished around the already made kava. I would fill a shell, take some of that into my mouth and hold it for 20-30 seconds gradually taking down tiny gulps until it was gone. I kind of pushed it into my upper lip when I felt I needed to swallow so that I wouldn't gulp it all down at once.
Again though, I felt like it was effective but since I'm a total beginner it could just be my body's adjustment period that accounts for the improved effect.
 
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kl.FS315

Kava Curious
Allowing the caps to dissolve sublinglualarly (?) makes a night/day difference for me w/ both the onset of effects and the duration of action. There is absolutely no way I know of how a psychoactive drug could be more effective adminstered orally through the gut. Sublingual admin leads directly to blood vessels bypassing the stomach which has to deactivate at least 1/3 of the active portion of kava. Just because a tribe in Vanuatu has done something a certain way since at least 1600's does not make the most efficient/effective. In fact one producer already markets a version of kava sold on small paper strips meant to taken in a sublingual method.
 
kavalover

kavalover

Outsider
The sublingual method definitely works... When I had kava rootlets I would chew on the roots ~while~ drinking shells of kava, and I would be floored. Floored. lol.



Just chewing the roots anywhere from 5 to 15 minutes would give a much quicker, immediate effect, and if you continued chewing, you may just fall asleep. If you can stomach it, chewing/sucking on even the root powder will offer similar effects, at least in my experience. Some people I've read about do it with instant kava, never tried that though... I'd imagine it's the same story. I still love making shells and downing them as such, but my own little testimony is that sublingual administration of kava is most definitely effective.



It's one of the reasons actually (when I had my rootlets and wanted to experiment with chewing and then straining the chewed roots like back in the old days of kava drinking) it was difficult for me to finish chewing enough roots... I was simply crunked already lol
 
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kl.jjs6067

Kava Curious
kavalover said:
The sublingual method definitely works... When I had kava rootlets I would chew on the roots ~while~ drinking shells of kava, and I would be floored. Floored. lol.



Just chewing the roots anywhere from 5 to 15 minutes would give a much quicker, immediate effect, and if you continued chewing, you may just fall asleep. If you can stomach it, chewing/sucking on even the root powder will offer similar effects, at least in my experience. Some people I've read about do it with instant kava, never tried that though... I'd imagine it's the same story. I still love making shells and downing them as such, but my own little testimony is that sublingual administration of kava is most definitely effective.



It's one of the reasons actually (when I had my rootlets and wanted to experiment with chewing and then straining the chewed roots like back in the old days of kava drinking) it was difficult for me to finish chewing enough roots... I was simply crunked already lol
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That was really informative! It's good to hear from other people who have actually tried this method. I think I may try to chew on some Chief's Jungle tonight... if I can build up the cajones. It's definitely not the smoothest strain haha. 
Kavalover, what do you recommend as far as chewing the root powder? Like, how much to use at a time? I was personally thinking 1 or 2 teaspoons of root powder combined with a bit of water, just so I can swish it around easier. Suggestions?
 
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kl.FS315

Kava Curious
In KAVA - MEDECINE HUNTING IN PARADISE the author explains how the digestive enzymes of saliva activate kava to much greater degree than simply drinking it.
 
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kl.jjs6067

Kava Curious
Currently chewing on 1 teaspoon of Chief's Jungle mixed with a bit of water. YUCK! This takes a strong stomach to do this method. I've continued to hold this in my mouth for 5 minutes so far, periodically setting off my gag reflexes. It is definitely producing a mild head buzz currently (took about 3 minutes to feel it), and my mouth is quite numb. I'll report back after another 5-10 minutes of chewing.
 
kavalover

kavalover

Outsider
In KAVA - MEDECINE HUNTING IN PARADISE the author explains how the
digestive enzymes of saliva activate kava to much greater degree than
simply drinking it.
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Thanks, I'll have to give that a read. It doesn't surprise me, though, given my experiences with chewed root as well as the much more potent method of prep being chewing roots into mush, and then straining the chewed mush into a shell. Welcome to the forums by the way..


Kavalover, what do you recommend as far as chewing the root powder?
Like, how much to use at a time? I was personally thinking 1 or 2
teaspoons of root powder combined with a bit of water, just so I can
swish it around easier. Suggestions?
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1 - 2 teaspoons would probably be fine... to be honest I never measured mine out, I just grabbed a pinch of powder between my fingers and stuck it between my bottom lip. Letting it soak there for a while similar to chewing tobacco. Every now and then I'd chew the moist root to release the saliva/kavalactone mixture. It's kind of a nasty tasting process lol... but is quite effective. I never used water, though with chief's jungle, whew, that pungent peppery taste might make some water on hand a necessity lol.. (smiley: sick) I would imagine, though I'm not certain if this is entirely correct, that allowing the kava to soak in your saliva might yield better results than pre-soaking in water. Allowing as said above, the enzymes in the saliva to activate the kavalactones on their own. This is purely a guess though, probably, won't make much difference.. Lots of room for experimentation here.
 
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kl.jjs6067

Kava Curious
Alright, so I chewed 1 teaspoon of kava mixed with a bit of water for fifteen minutes, swallowing little bits as time progressed. I then put another teaspoon of kava in my mouth without water, and chewed it around 10-15 minutes, swallowing little bits as time progressed. Wow... typically the Chief does not effect me too much when I drink a couple shells of it, but using this method I can definitely feel a nice head buzz as well as a body high. I gotta say, I may adopt this method if I really want to get the job done fast. Only downside is the taste it downright putrid!
 
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kl.FS315

Kava Curious
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kl.midas

Kava Enthusiast
Trying this right now. I can only manage about a half tablespoon at a time. Gonna chew on it for 10 minutes then repeat until I feel something...I'll report back later.
 
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kl.midas

Kava Enthusiast
Before I begin, I should probably mention that my kava experiences have been a bit hit and miss up to now. Sometimes I feel little or nothing, other times I get a nice relaxing buzz. After chewing my way 2 tablespoons of kava root (melo melo BKH) I have to say that the effects were at least as good as the best effects I've gotten from the traditional preparation, and possibly better.



I'd say I could manage about 1/3 and of a heaped tablespoon in my mouth at a time. It took me a little more than an hour to get through the full 2 tablespoons. The 1st couple of mouthfuls were tough work, but after that it didn't bother me anymore, and was maybe even agreeable! I put the root powder in my mouth, chewed it a little to release the juices, let the juices sit in my mouth for a little while before swallowing them, then repeated this for 10 minutes or so before moving onto the next mouthful of root powder. If you can keep the root near the front of your mouth it makes it possible to swallow without ingesting the root fibres. It seems to make sense that your teeth and saliva would be much better at agitating the kava to release kavalactones than using a strainer bag, water and your hands? I will be using this method again for sure.
 
Vekta

Vekta

Notorious Lightweight
Review Maestro
Hmm...ok I'll give it a shot.



Oh this is going to be horrific.
**Update**
Well it's been about 30 minutes. 
Wow, that first 1/2 tsp was a kick in the face. After the first couple minutes my tongue went numb so the taste wasn't really an issue...anymore.(smiley: laugh) Yeah, it works. I don't think it works better or worse than making the kava with water in a strainer bag but it's convenient.
 
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kl.FS315

Kava Curious
Vekta said:
Hmm...ok I'll give it a shot.

Oh this is going to be horrific.


**Update**


Well it's been about 30 minutes. 


Wow, that first 1/2 tsp was a kick in the face. After the first couple minutes my tongue went numb so the taste wasn't really an issue...anymore.(smiley: laugh) Yeah, it works. I don't think it works better or worse than making the kava with water in a strainer bag but it's convenient. 

How much quicker did the kava hit you than when you drink it?
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Vekta

Vekta

Notorious Lightweight
Review Maestro
How much quicker did the kava hit you than when you drink it?
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It was about the same speed. The only difference was it felt a little heavier at the beginning then leveled out a little faster. My mouth was dead asleep from being in direct contact with the root. The taste....(smiley: sick)...that first 1/2 tsp made my face implode in on itself from taste-bud shock. (smiley: laugh) Second time wasn't as bad.
 
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