What does Boroguru feel like to you?

[Pacifico]

Hello. I know I asked something similar before. I am desperate now. All of the skin came off of my fingers and knuckles. Students asked me if I forgot to put sunscreen on my fingers. Most of that alleviated. My fingers are normal now but waist is still on the mend, along with the skin around my shins. I shed in bed.

Tonight I have had four tablespoons. I feel sort of drunk and I was sort of nautious until I had some leftovers. I would like to hear some of your thoughts on what boroguru feels like to you, micro if possible but any will work. Right now, I have been at this for three hours or so now. I feel intoxicated. There is nothing positive about this feeling, even though it isn't necessarily bad. I feel like I am party popping, picking from a colorful jar. I don't want that. It's just confusing. I want to be smiling and happy. I am still unsure about what is supposed to happen and I know that I might never know. I love reading/would love to read the accounts of others though.

My current stock:

1/2 lb of pouni ono micro from KWD
1 oz of KWK lawena micro
One more night like this of GHK Boroguru micro
A few more nights like this of Nene

 

[Gourmet Hawaiian Kava]

I have never had any problems with dermo so I can't really help in this matter. How much kava are you drinking? I know the Hawaiian girls used to drink a lot of kava until they get the dermo then their skin would peel off leaving soft new skin. Maybe your drinking a lot of kava. I drink every day but I do not drink a lot, maybe 1-2 shells. Aloha.

Chris

 

[verticity]

Hello. I know I asked something similar before. I am desperate now. I ran into dermo a few weeks into RT. My ass was peeling like a rattlesnake and all of the skin came off of my fingers and knuckles. Students asked me if I forgot to put sunscreen on my fingers. Most of that alleviated. My fingers are normal now but my ass and waist are still on the mend, along with the skin around my shins. It hasn't ruined my life but my work crush asked me to come home with her the other night and I had to decline. I can't lie in a bed without shedding.

Tonight I have had four tablespoons. I feel sort of drunk and I was sort of nautious until I had some leftovers. I would like to hear some of your thoughts on what boroguru feels like to you, micro if possible but any will work. Right now, I have been at this for three hours or so now. I feel intoxicated. There is nothing positive about this feeling, even though it isn't necessarily bad. I feel like I am party popping, picking from a colorful jar. I don't want that. It's just confusing. I want to be smiling and happy. I am still unsure about what is supposed to happen and I know that I might never know. I love reading/would love to read the accounts of others though.

My current stock:

1/2 lb of pouni ono micro from KWD
1 oz of KWK lawena micro
One more night like this of GHK Boroguru micro
A few more nights like this of Nene

Boroguru is not very euphoric, more sedating, and can be hard on the stomach, but the Pouni Ono should be headier. Nene is very pleasant for me, too. I'm not familiar with the lawena. Kava is an intoxicant. It will make you feel intoxicated. If you drink too much you will feel very intoxicated: dizziness, double vision, desire to sleep, stumbling around. (But interestingly, clear mind the whole time) I actually enjoy the feeling, if it is mild. But it sounds like you are more after the euphoric effects. You want kavas that are high in kavain. For example Mo'i or Nambawan from BKH. The Pouni Ono should be a good one too. And spacing your shells more and/or using smaller shells, may give you a milder more pleasant experience.

About the dermo: I just wonder if it has to do with the fact that you are exclusively using micronized. You might try filtering your micro with double layered stockings, or a fine mesh bag. I know that's not supposed to be necessary, but I found it helped my stomach tolerate micro; it might help dermo too. Amlactin is good for dermo. You can ask your date to rub it on you

 

[Pacifico]

I am now out of "boro" so it's all about the KWK's I have. I am not necessarily after the heady stuff moreso that I am looking to break RT and know it for sure.

 

[verticity]

I am now out of "boro" so it's all about the KWK's I have. I am not necessarily after the heady stuff moreso that I am looking to break RT and know it for sure.

How about making your goal not be to "break RT", but just to enjoy the experience, or if not enjoy it, just experience it and feel what it actually is?

 

[Pacifico]

How about making your goal not be to "break RT", but just to enjoy the experience, or if not enjoy it, just experience it and feel what it actually is?

Well I am certainly trying all of the above. I sit down and relax when I drink it. I have yet to have any memorable moments. If kava doesn't provide me with different effects like an IPA or a cafe sua da, and I like the taste of IPA's and cafe sua da more than kava, I won't be able to justify drinking kava. Kava doesn't work for everyone. If I don't get even a hint of what everyone else is talking about, I simply won't be able to justify the cost of continuing. I am going to chip away at the supply I have with my fingers crossed. All in all, I have not enjoyed my kava experience so far. The most enjoyable part has been learning about its potential.

 

[verticity]

Well I am certainly trying all of the above. I sit down and relax when I drink it. I have yet to have any memorable moments. If kava doesn't provide me with different effects like an IPA or a cafe sua da, and I like the taste of IPA's and cafe sua da more than kava, I won't be able to justify drinking kava. Kava doesn't work for everyone. If I don't get even a hint of what everyone else is talking about, I simply won't be able to justify the cost of continuing. I am going to chip away at the supply I have with my fingers crossed. All in all, I have not enjoyed my kava experience so far. The most enjoyable part has been learning about its potential.

Maybe you should try to not enjoy it. Reverse psychology. But seriously, try some different varieties; after that if you still don't like it, you don't like it. I'm sure you have read here, but I'll just reiterate--the kava experience--the "euphoria" i speak of-- is generally more subtle than other things that make you euphoric. It's not like MDMA or something. Listen to the kava, and it will speak to you. "Hi @Pacifico, I am the kava. I yam what I yam"

 

[Pacifico]

Maybe you should try to not enjoy it. Reverse psychology. But seriously, try some different varieties; after that if you still don't like it, you don't like it. I'm sure you have read here, but I'll just reiterate--the kava experience--the "euphoria" i speak of-- is generally more subtle than other things that make you euphoric. It's not like MDMA or something. Listen to the kava, and it will speak to you. "Hi @Pacifico, I am the kava. I yam what I yam"

Yeah, I haven't done the medium grind yet with the ball shakers. Voices... I don't want voices, Man.

 

[verticity]

Yeah, I haven't done the medium grind yet with the ball shakers. Voices... I don't want voices, Man.

"@Pacifico, This is the voice in your head. Listen carefully. I command you to chill out and relax, dude. Ignore this command at your own peril."

 

[Pacifico]

"@Pacifico, This is the voice in your head. Listen carefully. I command you to chill out and relax, dude. Ignore this command at your own peril."

As long as you can ignore ball shakers.

 

[verticity]

As long as you can ignore ball shakers.

 

[greenbeen]

Yeah, I haven't done the medium grind yet with the ball shakers. Voices... I don't want voices, Man.

Be sure to filter. Especially if you get dermo from micro.

 

[Bwiggy]

@Pacifico I struggle with getting an effect, and have been at it for a few months.
I am following all the guidelines, as I'm sure you are, like doing it on an empty stomach, filtering the root, and kneading it for 1- 20 min. It's also said that eating or drinking something warm, spicy and fatty after a shell or a session helps. Someone recommended a 1/4 cup of liquid Egyptian Licorice tea or a chai. You could try that and add a teaspoon of coconut oil to the tea - it is a healthy fat and great for skin.
I have to consume way more than I think I should to get an effect, and also, I don't think I'm strong enough to do the traditional wash.
I've noticed that there is generally very positive comments about Gaia kava capsules as an effective way to get over the RT.
I think micronized or instant is the way to go, in general....and it sounds like micronized would be best filtered.
If I wasn't a reader of this forum, I would think kava effects were a marketing ploy.... the effects are so elusive.

What are IPA's and cafe sua da??

 

[The Kap'n]

That's interesting @Bwiggy. A few months in and you should be feeling the full effects that kava offers, and they're far from unnoticeable. Are you drinking it every single day, also how much are you drinking?

 

[verticity]

...and also, I don't think I'm strong enough to do the traditional wash.

I'm not clear what you mean by this.. do you have physical difficulty kneading? Or something else? If you have trouble kneading for whatever reason, your brew might be weak, and obviously micronized or instant is the way to go.

 

[Zac Imiola (Herbalist)]

I agree with the reverse psychology ... kava never worked for me when I expected stuff... as soon as I used it for a different purpose .. which for me was help sleeping it was as if something magical happened.. and then the effects got stronger and stronger. I understand the frustration though ... back a year or two ago I couldn't feel anything from it. And it did bother me very VERY much. But I was expecting too much. It's so tricky. It makes it sound like my expectations were to high and it's not a strong effect but it was somehow opposite to that. The effects were only strong when my expectations lowered. Hmmm.

 

[Zac Imiola (Herbalist)]

Oh ya and I never just took kava for like months trying to feel something lol. It seems that works for some but for me it just kinda clicked one day when I needed it.

 

[tomkrat]

i had a similar experience to Zachary's: i started taking kava (extracts) in 2006 and i got very little from it, i think because i wanted kava to be xanax and it is absolutely not that. when i tried it again all these years later it worked right away

 

[Zac Imiola (Herbalist)]

Exactly! It's the intention I think.... I think less may be more fr kava too

 

[Steve Mariotti]

I'm coming to believe that the mood you carry into the session steers the session. But on the topic of overcoming RT, it was night and day when the rubber hit the road.

I admire your persistence, @Pacifico, and I firmly believe that you and @Bwiggy will eventually reach your moment of zen. Drinking expensive foul-smelling dirty water for months isn't fun, but it's an investment in what will come. And once it comes, it will take very little and you can take long breaks as you see fit and it'll be right there for you when you come back. Think of it as paying-it-forward!

On the subject of Boroguru, I've had only GHK's and not any others, but I can say that it felt evenly heady and somatic for me, with euphoria as well as deep relaxation. It's quite nice, and I wish I had some now.