Another plant with kavain and dehydrokavain

[Piper Methysticum]

This is good post from a member of the original kava Forums. I finally found it after searching off and on for about a week. I could only remember that he discovered another plant that had Kava compounds. It's called alpinia zerumbet, more widely known as Shell Ginger, and it contains the kavain and dehydrokavain.
http://kavalounge.yuku.com/reply/2522/a-type-of-ginger-root-that-has-kavain-in-it-#.V3xlvPkrLIU

 

[Kojo Douglas]

 

[TheKavaSociety]

crazy. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26370954

 

[Piper Methysticum]

Kava's runt cousin shell ginger

 

[kavadude]

Interesting stuff, bit of googling and I can't find a source online though. I wonder if it's easier to grow than kava.

 

[Piper Methysticum]

Not sure if it is easier to grow Kavadude but I was finding lots of plants for sale.

 

[kavadude]

Did find this http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/55244/

Seems like it's about the same as kava and probably won't handle a freeze

 

[kavadude]

Here's a study
http://www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/20/9/16306/pdf

Looks like this stuff is actually fairly potent (410 mg of DDK per gram of leaves)

 

[Piper Methysticum]

Looking at the places it is said to have been grown and it shows a good many in the US.

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Regional
This plant has been said to grow in the following regions:



, (3 reports)

Arley, Alabama

Mobile, Alabama (2 reports)

Prattville, Alabama

Carlsbad, California

Ceres, California

Clayton, California

Escondido, California

Fairfield, California

Granite Bay, California

Indio, California

Palm Springs, California

Pasadena, California

Pleasant Hill, California

Sacramento, California

San Leandro, California

Tulare, California

Apopka, Florida

Bartow, Florida

Big Pine Key, Florida

Boca Raton, Florida (2 reports)

Bokeelia, Florida

Bradenton, Florida

Bradley, Florida

Brooksville, Florida

Cape Coral, Florida

Clearwater, Florida

Cocoa Beach, Florida

Fort Lauderdale, Florida

Gainesville, Florida

Hollywood, Florida

Jacksonville, Florida (4 reports)

Keystone Heights, Florida

Labelle, Florida

Loxahatchee, Florida

Lutz, Florida

Miami, Florida

New Smyrna Beach, Florida

Niceville, Florida

Ocoee, Florida

Oldsmar, Florida (2 reports)

Orlando, Florida

Palm Coast, Florida

Pompano Beach, Florida (2 reports)

Riverview, Florida

Saint Cloud, Florida

Saint Petersburg, Florida

Sarasota, Florida

Sebastian, Florida

Sebring, Florida

Tampa, Florida

Trenton, Florida

Umatilla, Florida

Valrico, Florida

Vero Beach, Florida

Wellborn, Florida

West Palm Beach, Florida

Winter Haven, Florida

Auburn, Georgia

Dallas, Georgia

Lawrenceville, Georgia

Saint Simons Island, Georgia

Agana Heights, Guam

Honomu, Hawaii

Kurtistown, Hawaii

Barbourville, Kentucky

Baton Rouge, Louisiana

Greenwell Springs, Louisiana

Lafayette, Louisiana

Marrero, Louisiana

New Orleans, Louisiana

Schriever, Louisiana

Thibodaux, Louisiana

Hattiesburg, Mississippi

North Las Vegas, Nevada

Kure Beach, North Carolina

Mooresville, North Carolina

Vieques, Puerto Rico

Bluffton, South Carolina

Cayce, South Carolina

Clemson, South Carolina

Columbia, South Carolina

Hardeeville, South Carolina

Hilton Head Island, South Carolina

Ladys Island, South Carolina

Lexington, South Carolina

Okatie, South Carolina

Orangeburg, South Carolina

Sumter, South Carolina

Arlington, Texas (2 reports)

Austin, Texas (3 reports)

Baytown, Texas

Beaumont, Texas

Brownsville, Texas

Cibolo, Texas

Corsicana, Texas

Deer Park, Texas

Desoto, Texas

Friendswood, Texas

Harlingen, Texas

Houston, Texas (4 reports)

Humble, Texas

Jacksonville, Texas (2 reports)

Katy, Texas

La Porte, Texas

Lampasas, Texas

League City, Texas

Mission, Texas

Missouri City, Texas

Port Arthur, Texas

Port Neches, Texas

Richmond, Texas

Roma, Texas

San Antonio, Texas (3 reports)

Santa Fe, Texas

Spring, Texas (3 reports)

Universal City, Texas

Victoria, Texas

Norfolk, Virginia

 

[kavadude]

Katy, Texas huh. I might just order some seeds of this...

 

[Piper Methysticum]

Good amount of growing all around this area in Florida too. Might be worth a try someday.

 

[kavadude]

Did you see any sources for seeds within the US? I found some expensive whole-plant ones, one in Belize so I'd have to fill out a form, and one that was out of stock.

 

[theGrogfather]

Here's a study
http://www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/20/9/16306/pdf

Looks like this stuff is actually fairly potent (410 mg of DDK per gram of leaves)

I guess if it's extracted most efficiently, and it doesn't say which part of the plant yields the most.
...Oh wait the next sentence says the rhizomes could yield 424 mg/g.
So would you strain it like kava?

 

[theGrogfather]

Also DDK isn't talked about much... Only 6 kavalactones in chemotypes and DDK isn't one of them. Is it a good one?

 

[Piper Methysticum]

Possibly lowers blood pressure http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12803571

 

[kavadude]

Also DDK isn't talked about much... Only 6 kavalactones in chemotypes and DDK isn't one of them. Is it a good one?

Although that study talks about it as one of the "seven major kavalactones," I've never heard of it mentioned, always heard it described as "6 major kavalactones" and the big 6 account for about 95% of kavalactones in kava by weight; it's unlikely that the other ones have noticable pharmacological effects in the quantities present (though not impossible).

 

[theGrogfather]

Thought that seemed odd. I can't find much info on the presence of kavain either.

 

[Kalm with Kava]

Here's a study
http://www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/20/9/16306/pdf

Looks like this stuff is actually fairly potent (410 mg of DDK per gram of leaves)

I remember this from when Tyler posted it years ago. Interesting it also contains a form of FKB.

 

[Travis]

It could be grown in containers in zones 6 and below. Very interesting

 

[Jerome]

That looks a hell of a lot like the ornamental ginger plants we have all over Florida. I believe that's in the landscaping at my work as well, I'll give it a look.