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Hopefully settle it now. Are there any true potentiators of kava ?

Discussion in 'New Members Forum' started by Plantacious, Dec 24, 2018.

  1. Plantacious

    Plantacious Kava Enthusiast

    In "other botanical type" forums, there is a lot of talk about a lot of different potentiators.
    There is some talk about potentiators in the kava community as well, but for every person that says that X is a potentiator, or Y is a potentiator,
    someone else comes up and says that X is not, and Y is not, and so on. So that confuses me.
    But I really trust the expertise of all the "veteran, experienced kava conoisseurs" that hang around this forum, so I was hoping to settle it once
    and for all, at least for me, and hopefully a few others and newbies who read this thread and have the same question.
    What is a true potentiator of kava ? I mainly use the AluBall, so I"m more interested in a potentiator that is applicable to Aluball, however if you
    have one that only works with trad prep, that's fine too.
    The potentiator can be a supplement, or a food you eat.
    And please be specific, such as how much you use, any special preparation, and the timing. Like if that particular potentiator should be taken
    before or after the kava, please specify that, as well as how many minutes before or after.
    Thanks so much !
  2. Alia

    Alia 'Awa Grower/Collector

    How about Sea Hibiscus ? Here are some interesting quotes from Phytomedicine January 2017, Vol. 24
    on Traditional Kava Beverage ... (I added just the underlined part)
    "Results: Traditional preparations of kava inhibit the growth of breast and colon cancer cells. ... the unfiltered preparations from Fiji were more active than the filtered. Phytochemical analysis indicated that filtering reduced most kavalactone and chalcone content. . ... growth inhibitory activity correlates with the content of these compounds. Unfiltered and filtered kava from Fiji(1) were more active on malignant than nonmalignant intestinal epithelial cells. Since kava is prepared in Micronesia by squeezing the extract through sea hibiscus bark, we assayed the growth inhibitory activity of combinations of kava and sea hibiscus sap and found that sea hibiscus enhanced the growth inhibitory effect of kava.
    Conclusion: Our results show that traditional kava, alone or combined with sea hibiscus, displays activity against human cancer cells and indicate it will be worthwhile to develop and further analyze these preparations to prevent and treat colon and other cancers. Our findings suggest it is important to examine the activity of plants in the form that people consume them. "
  3. verticity

    verticity I'm interested in things

    From my experience, 2 things have a positive effect:

    - Empty stomach before drinking kava
    - Spicy and/or fatty foods after

    In the case of food spiced with kava's cousin, black pepper (Piper nigrum), there's actually a reasonable possible biochemical explanation for the effect, that you are probably aware of from "other botanical type" fora, but the potentiation also seems to work just as well with nightshade family peppers (e.g., cayenne, jalapenos, etc.)...

    Also caffeine can have sort of a negative reverse potentiating effect, in that (in my experience) kava sometimes seems to potentiate the unpleasant jittery effects of caffeinated beverages.
  4. Plantacious

    Plantacious Kava Enthusiast

    Ha. Reminds of how I heard one person describe the taste of kava. It's like drinking a mixture of pepper and dirt.
    So if I add pepper to it, it'll taste more like pepper, and less like dirt, huh ?
    So you get the added bonuses of both improved taste and potency.

    When you say "spicy" foods, is that hot type spices, and any hot spice, or certain ones ?
    What about lecithin ?
    Last edited: Dec 24, 2018
  5. verticity

    verticity I'm interested in things

    Any spicy food is good, and also fat seems to help--for example: curry, spicy mexican food, or pizza with pepper flakes, etc. After drinking kava, not at the same time. The subjective experience I have is that the spicy hot sensation in the mouth actually kind of amplifies the heady effects of the kava.

    Sometimes you see recommendations to mix in things like lechitin or coconut oil with the kava as emulsifiers. I've tried that with coconut oil, and all it really did was make the taste much worse and was not worth it IMO, so now I always just use a traditional water prep for the kava itself..
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  6. PapaMoi

    PapaMoi Kava Enthusiast

    In all seriousness, the best potentiator for kava in my experience is more kava. Once I get a good, thick buildup of those kavalactones in my bloodstream, it seems to work better and better over time. Also, hot herbal teas (chamomile, etc) kick it into high gear for me. And cheesy pizza after kava. Cheesy pizza helps everything though.
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  7. Plantacious

    Plantacious Kava Enthusiast

    You gave me an idea. Since kava should be started on an empty stomach, and spices + food will potentiate it, I thought what if you take the spices and only the spices along with the kava. Since spices wouldn't technically count as food as far as our standards in this, but it should maintain its potency, maybe the spices and kava at the same time will give it a kick.
    Last edited: Dec 25, 2018
  8. TheKavaFlow

    TheKavaFlow Kava Enthusiast Kava Podcaster

    I just killed a small bag of jalapeno chips after a kava session and it definitely brought the experience to the forefront. Any spicy foods do that to me.
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  9. Edward

    Edward Aluballin' in the UK Kava Vendor

    The only thing that makes much difference for me is just drinking it with milk. In a batch of 12 ounces I'll make 4 ounces skimmed milk.

    I used to drink without milk and then the next morning a few times I drank some milk and got a big kava rush. So now when I drink the kava with milk I get the full effects straight away and find I can use less kava and experience fuller effects.
  10. Krunkie McKrunkface

    Krunkie McKrunkface Kava Enthusiast

    Same here. For potentiated kava I add kava. Usually some co2 concentrate on top of a couple of good shells. Or a kalmikaze.
  11. Plantacious

    Plantacious Kava Enthusiast

    But when you potentiate your kava with kava, do you take your kava before you drink your kava, or after you drink your kava ?
  12. Krunkie McKrunkface

    Krunkie McKrunkface Kava Enthusiast

    I drink the grog first, then have the potentiator a few minutes later. I enjoy 15 - 30 minutes of potentiated kava and when that's over it plops me down from super calm to merely mellow.
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  13. Bob Cat

    Bob Cat New Member

    I guess it depends what you are looking for and what kava does to or for you. Kava seems to be a big stimulation for me so I like to take it with chamomile tea and or California poppy tea. That takes the edge off so it is very enjoyable.
  14. BaySailor

    BaySailor Member

    My magic bullet is 4 shells at the Kava bar in Santa Cruz (MeloMelo), then proceed directly to Charlie Hong Kong and get Spicy Beef with Noodles TO-GO. Can't eat the noodles there or my bike seems to want to take back roads home...
  15. Edward

    Edward Aluballin' in the UK Kava Vendor

    I admire anyone who can eat anything after kava. My stomach will barely tolerate water after a strong session. @nabanga I think you are in the same boat?
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  16. Plantacious

    Plantacious Kava Enthusiast

    I thought the opposite was true for most people. If you get queasy after a session, for the majority, the best cure for that stomach, is a thick plate of food.
    For me personally, basically anything non-kava will relieve the stomach - water, any food, ginger candy, tea, etc
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  17. Edward

    Edward Aluballin' in the UK Kava Vendor

    I normally just sleep it off :)
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  18. Zaphod

    Zaphod Kava Enthusiast

    Somehow I missed this thread earlier but here are my takes:
    (1) Definitely the empty stomach is plus, and even more so if it has been closer to 4hrs which should be well after the stomach is empty. 2-3 hrs is okay but it is much more pronounced at 4. This effects mostly the kavain rush. You will still get a nice KL relaxation, but maybe not the headiness. Drinking water/liquid even a few minutes before drinking your kava seems to have little effect so this applies only to food.
    (2) I find fatty dairy products like cheese afterwords kick up the headiness.
    (3) Spicy food, in my opinion, doesn't really kick up the kava but the addition of the endorphin rush of eating spicy food and the kava headiness can be intense. I find the same with adding caffeine or more specifically dark chocolate after having kava.
  19. kasa_balavu

    kasa_balavu Yaqona Dina

    Hardcore kavasseurs who like the taste of kava often add dirt to it so it tastes more like dirt and less like pepper. #TrueStoryBro

    It's widely accepted in Fiji that an oily, greasy meal after a kava session gives you an extra kick. Curry works perfectly.
    Last edited: Jan 23, 2019
  20. Dr.Krunk

    Dr.Krunk Certified Quack

    It’s a bit difficult for me to say whether spicy foods potentiates Kava considering essentially everything I eat is drowned in Tapatío, extra hot Valentina, or Siracha. I can say eating after a session does seem to increase the effects but also seems to diminish the duration of effects for me anyways.