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Jack3

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I ordered a kg of 30% extract from KD and I have been taking it daily for two weeks straight. The dermopathy is getting crazy. I will include a photo of the skin between my fingers. I’ve probably taken around 200g so far.

I have tried to use kava responsibly for probably five years now but I have trouble getting the right amount and often end up seeing double. I’ve gotten dermopathy every time. Every time I tell myself I’ll be more restrained and I have to some extent but it’s still out of alignment.

Is there anyone out there who would be willing to take the remainder off my hands? Any funds sent my way to offset the loss somewhat would be greatly appreciated. It’s an excellent extract for those who like heavy kavas.
 

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Jack3

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This is another picture. This is the worst I’ve had in just one location. I had it all over my body before. It was like full body dandruff.
 

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Jack3

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This post really doesn’t have anything to do with the supplier and it’s not a review. Anyway, I had to throw it out because I don’t trust myself with it. I think of kava as a fundamentally healthy thing in contrast with alcohol which is fundamentally harmful even though people get away with it.

For me, kava is too much of a good thing and I just can’t use it responsibly. Maybe if I had found these forums 17 years ago or something but it’s too late now. I’m going to have to see if I can stay off of these forums. I’m still glad these forums are here but it’s best for me to stay away.
 

Jack3

Kava Enthusiast
A warning for those who may be squeamish. I’m going to include a couple photos of my left palm to show where the dermopathy is after five days of abstinence and repeated applications of AmLactin. The lotion I got is the highest in lactic acid at 15%, if I remember correctly. I think it’s pretty nasty looking.

I wish I could have a healthy relationship with kava but after nearly four and a half years I must admit that I routinely abuse it. If kava has a consciousness, I hope it can forgive me. It’s like a love affair that once was wonderful but took a turn for the worse and there’s no turning back.

Kava is one member of a small group among the many things I have developed addictions to that I wish I could use responsibly because there are so many good things about it. I feel some regret that I threw it out instead of asking kind neighbors to hold it for me and give me enough each week for three sessions. People in NA who have surgery and need to take opiates will give the supply to someone else. Maybe that might have worked.

There are also some lovers I’d love to reunite with but I know it wouldn’t work. I visited a girlfriend from college when I was in my thirties and within a few days I was reminded why we separated. I’ve seen couples like that. Two people that I like as individuals, but they are, sadly, wrong for each other.

I’m leaving these photos so if I ever log on again I might be reminded why I have to stay away.
 

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Jack3

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The problem is not the kava, it is the extract. Kavalactone Extract is not really kava.
True but I get bad dermo either way. I don’t know if it would be this bad after two weeks of daily medium grind, though. I guess the extracts also concentrate the flavokavains? The medium grind is so messy and takes so much work which is especially difficult considering the fatigue and brain fog I experience as a result of chronic illness.

I don’t think the dermo has been anywhere near as bad from traditional prep, but only when I would take it straight unfiltered. Traditional prep is hard for me to dose correctly. The “shells” don’t have a cumulative effect that is the same as when multiple shells are taken at once.

I seem to over or under shoot the range that works and either feel disappointed and frustrated or I’m seeing double. For all the good it does for me, it is really hard to work with. Timing with food is another moving target. I get best results four hours after the last meal and waiting an hour after kava before eating again. It’s hard to make another couple washes and then wait another hour before eating or I have to reschedule my meals around kava.

I’m not blaming kava. I’m the one abusing it. I wish I could have gotten help from a traditional healer to find the right cultivar and the right schedule to use have the right way because it definitely has benefits.

I’m tempted to just go medium grind but last time I did that it was mostly error through the trials and then the reverse tolerance hit and I was incapacitated for hours. Fortunately I was already in bed so I didn’t suffer another fall.

Tolerance is another moving target. For me it goes both ways. The tolerance builds and reverses and I’m not always sure which way it will go. Add that to the timing with the meals and it’s almost a roll of the dice.

I find it challenging to get consistent results for soothing the anxiety, easing the nerve pain, and improving the quality of rest during sleep, as well as helping me to be more balanced. I’m tempted to try the medium grind again but I’m caring for a mother with dementia and there is some risk that she might start wandering and getting lost. If that happened and I couldn’t catch up because I couldn’t walk, I don’t know how I could live with myself.

Another thing is that a lot is lost in traditional prep. I’ve choked back the leftovers and it definitely had an effect. It was really hard to get down but it worked. It’s hard to know that I’m throwing away such good and expensive medicine.

I wish I could keep going with it but I don’t see how; in terms of my inability to use it responsibly and the fact that I really can’t afford it and will likely regret the money I have already spent in the not too distant future. I’d love to try some Rhamwanger especially but no idea where to find that and do I really think it would work out that much better?

I’m not positive that I will be able to maintain abstinence. It’s not calling me like chocolate but it’s hard to live with these symptoms. I don’t see any other way but to stay off of it. Maybe if I ever go to the islands and find a traditional healer, they could guide me through an extended practice with a number of other treatments and I could get some long term benefit without the risks. I don’t think anyone here know anyone like that and such a person would probably just tell me that kava is not the right medicine for me. I feel bad about abusing it.

Here are pictures of my hands from today after 17 days of abstinence. Now the dermo is all over but much milder. It’s visible but not obvious. When I do yoga, it feels like I’m wearing wool or I have a mild sunburn. It’s really annoying.
 

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