Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing
there is a field. I'll meet you there.
When the soul lies down in that grass,
the world is too full to talk about.
Ideas, language, even the phrase each other
doesn't make any sense
- Rumi
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there is a field. I'll meet you there.
When the soul lies down in that grass,
the world is too full to talk about.
Ideas, language, even the phrase each other
doesn't make any sense
- Rumi
Shiny
Newbie
I find it amusing…
There are those of us who imbibe in substances, such as Kava, so that we can open and expand our minds, deepen our spirit, and explore our bodies… create special sacred moments and connections... think freely and venture beyond the usual normalities of life… feel empowered and self-aware… experience and find joy in every little aspect of life… define our purpose in life and make sense of ones reality…
And…
There are those who just want to get completely KRUNKED up.
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N
Noname
Yea y not get krunked and have a spiritual experience at the same time lol.. those things ppl see during lsd trips or mushrooms etc are real like when ppl see angels and all that it's real stuff but those government funded trendy "professionals" say it's just a "hallucination"
Zac Imiola (Herbalist)
Kava Connoisseur
Lol there still two different states of consciousness one is below thought in the sense that you haven't arrived at thinking yet and don't have a barrier to spirit... then theirs going above thought... you can think but know yourself as consciousness... these two states although the same have a qualitat difference which is depth... the krunk, drunk and acid state has no depth ... it's deep so to speak but not very.
Zac Imiola (Herbalist)
Kava Connoisseur
Damiana is a wonderful plant and actually a good cannabis replacement. It opens the energy in the body up and is a potent aphrodisiac because of it. It provides a short lasting goofyness that is similar to the idea of classic cannabis effects like munchies and laughing at nothing but much less psychedelic ... much much less but the euphoria is actually pretty potently similar.. I imagine kava being the euphoric energy mover it is mixed with that would be very very pleasant
Krunkie McKrunkface
Kava Connoisseur
Certainly I find kava helps with living in the moment, not being distracted or freaked by stuff in the world, being more accepting of things as they are and seeing the beauty in it. I think it makes me more loving and more sensitive to the love around me. I don't know if that counts as "spiritual" though to me that's most of what spiritual means in practice.
Zac Imiola (Herbalist)
Kava Connoisseur
Spiritual is a heavy term. That's why I really think this should be called the "Listening to the kava " thread.
It's really about that . The connection to plant as a teacher of present moment awareness. We can drink kava and then it will open up the portal to be able to stop thinking and be... but you have to walk through it ! You'll feel that you can all of a sudden really focus on the now .. but if you fully attribute it to kava .. you'll lose it and if you don't walk through it and hold that state regardless of Kava once it's there it's a missed oppurtunity for something beautiful
The same is true of cannabis although the alteration of its biochemistry makes it less possible.. but a good strain is the same . An opening arises and it can either turn into useless stoned thoughts .. or you can use the plants energy field as a temporary root into the present and then let go and go on your "own" after.
You may even find after a while you don't even need kava any more... and what could be a greater gift than not needing what you love in life.
It's really about that . The connection to plant as a teacher of present moment awareness. We can drink kava and then it will open up the portal to be able to stop thinking and be... but you have to walk through it ! You'll feel that you can all of a sudden really focus on the now .. but if you fully attribute it to kava .. you'll lose it and if you don't walk through it and hold that state regardless of Kava once it's there it's a missed oppurtunity for something beautiful
The same is true of cannabis although the alteration of its biochemistry makes it less possible.. but a good strain is the same . An opening arises and it can either turn into useless stoned thoughts .. or you can use the plants energy field as a temporary root into the present and then let go and go on your "own" after.
You may even find after a while you don't even need kava any more... and what could be a greater gift than not needing what you love in life.
Krunkie McKrunkface
Kava Connoisseur
I've found kava to be really trustworthy in what it tells me. If it says "don't drink me today" I don't and it turns out to be right. Or if I've had some and it tells me "that's enough" which it always does when it is. It might be after 5 shells or only 2 or even one. I always listen, and the kava is always right. It's smarter than me. Or wiser. Or both.
So if kava ever tells me to stop, I will trust it. But if kava tells me to keep drinking kava for the rest of my life, I'll probably trust that, too.
It's also very trustworthy when it says "don't do that" or "don't say that" or "don't think about that, think about something else." At the risk of sounding ridiculous, kava is a really good friend. Instead of other substances in the world which can lead to bad decisions, I really feel that kava leads me to better decisions. I feel like it's making me a better person, or at least a nicer one, and others are noticing, too. It's fascinating how very much of my life it has changed, and to what extent.
The really weird thing is I didn't find kava, kava found me. And I'd heard of it before and dismissed it, but then again, I wasn't ready for it before. Kava found me when I was finally ready. Any time before that and I would have probably tried it once, thought it did nothing and was stupid and dismissed it. In fact, when I tried it nothing happened. Nothing happened for a while. I committed, because of my supply, to having a TBS every morning and evening for a couple of weeks. The only things I noticed were that my dreams became incredibly vivid in a way I'd never experienced before and I'd been a kind of oneironaut for many years, but this was something totally new and exciting, and still my biggest thrill from kava. I also noticed that I would still have the occasional bad or troubling thought as one always does, but my mind dismissed the thoughts almost immediately, something I attributed to the kava.
Anyway, after a couple of weeks of that I decided to go for the krunk, knowing it must be out there somewhere. Slowly but surely I increased the amount, not wanting to "overshoot the target" and sure enough, I found the sweet spot, and there I was. Or, here I am. I don't think I need the krunk all the time, not by a long shot, but I think doing it at least once opened a lot of things up, triggered some kind of switch that had to be primed first. And now I have the kavalactones in my system all the time. And sometimes I get mellow, sometimes I get krunk, whatever the kava tells me. It's been really really good to me so far.
Sigh....
So if kava ever tells me to stop, I will trust it. But if kava tells me to keep drinking kava for the rest of my life, I'll probably trust that, too.
It's also very trustworthy when it says "don't do that" or "don't say that" or "don't think about that, think about something else." At the risk of sounding ridiculous, kava is a really good friend. Instead of other substances in the world which can lead to bad decisions, I really feel that kava leads me to better decisions. I feel like it's making me a better person, or at least a nicer one, and others are noticing, too. It's fascinating how very much of my life it has changed, and to what extent.
The really weird thing is I didn't find kava, kava found me. And I'd heard of it before and dismissed it, but then again, I wasn't ready for it before. Kava found me when I was finally ready. Any time before that and I would have probably tried it once, thought it did nothing and was stupid and dismissed it. In fact, when I tried it nothing happened. Nothing happened for a while. I committed, because of my supply, to having a TBS every morning and evening for a couple of weeks. The only things I noticed were that my dreams became incredibly vivid in a way I'd never experienced before and I'd been a kind of oneironaut for many years, but this was something totally new and exciting, and still my biggest thrill from kava. I also noticed that I would still have the occasional bad or troubling thought as one always does, but my mind dismissed the thoughts almost immediately, something I attributed to the kava.
Anyway, after a couple of weeks of that I decided to go for the krunk, knowing it must be out there somewhere. Slowly but surely I increased the amount, not wanting to "overshoot the target" and sure enough, I found the sweet spot, and there I was. Or, here I am. I don't think I need the krunk all the time, not by a long shot, but I think doing it at least once opened a lot of things up, triggered some kind of switch that had to be primed first. And now I have the kavalactones in my system all the time. And sometimes I get mellow, sometimes I get krunk, whatever the kava tells me. It's been really really good to me so far.
Sigh....
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Zac Imiola (Herbalist)
Kava Connoisseur
@Krunkie McKrunkface it's wonderful the connection you have with kava .. your a prime example of listening to the kava
Krunkie McKrunkface
Kava Connoisseur
And it keeps getting better all the time, more profound, more beautiful. I was happy before, now I'm even happier, and I think nicer, a better person, but also more humble. There's a whole world to learn here and I'm only just starting. I think it's also making me even healthier, and more productive.
Zac Imiola (Herbalist)
Kava Connoisseur
There is no end to the depth of consciousness. Of who you are. it's gonna just keep deepening
it's gonna just keep deepening
Dr.Krunk
Certified Quack
Reality and consciousness. Two questions that have plagued humanity since existence. There's always been religion and science both looking for the same answers to it all. It's funny how these two distinct paths seem to keep merging closer to another especially with discoveries coming from quantum computing and so on.
I truly believe everything is connected. I believe there isn't a such thing as an individual, almost as everything is an illusion. I can't explain it, there isn't words in the English language to attempt it. All I can say is to live in the moment and just enjoy it. It may seem difficult in this world but ultimately no individual can change it. Just live and prosper in whatever that means for you! Tomorrow isn't guaranteed for any of us.
I truly believe everything is connected. I believe there isn't a such thing as an individual, almost as everything is an illusion. I can't explain it, there isn't words in the English language to attempt it. All I can say is to live in the moment and just enjoy it. It may seem difficult in this world but ultimately no individual can change it. Just live and prosper in whatever that means for you! Tomorrow isn't guaranteed for any of us.
Krunkie McKrunkface
Kava Connoisseur
Hm, I don't seem to find a problem using words in English to talk about this stuff, maybe that's not such a good thing. I can drone on for hours. I do agree that the idea we are separate individuals is merely a useful construct rather than a concrete reality, much like linear time. Our consciousness is real, though, as is the wall I might walk into if I'm not aware of it. BK one of my projects was more fully integrating my dream and waking life, and kava has really helped boost that process for me, making it more seamless, so I can comfortably flow from one to the other, as they become more and more alike.
I have noticed a pattern,though, in my lifelong path towards more rather than less enlightenment (or however one might want to phrase it) that the process is not one of looking for something I don't have and then finding it, but rather a process of realizing that what I was looking for was always there all the time, and it is all just a question of learning how to see what has always been there. I'm not certain but am guessing that that will continue, and so far that is what kava is doing for me. It isn't making me a different person, it's stripping away stuff that isn't me, so I can be more me.
I have noticed a pattern,though, in my lifelong path towards more rather than less enlightenment (or however one might want to phrase it) that the process is not one of looking for something I don't have and then finding it, but rather a process of realizing that what I was looking for was always there all the time, and it is all just a question of learning how to see what has always been there. I'm not certain but am guessing that that will continue, and so far that is what kava is doing for me. It isn't making me a different person, it's stripping away stuff that isn't me, so I can be more me.
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Krunkie McKrunkface
Kava Connoisseur
Exactly! And they are both cool. Kava is so beautiful. For me it is truly psychedelic, and never more so than when I am not drinking it, life between the krunks. The krunk enables all that great stuff between the krunks. The krunk is not the real krunk. Real life is the real krunk. I swear this made sense as I was writing It. Kava gave me 284% of what I asked for, cured things I didn't realize were wrong, showed me things I never imagined, taught me the obvious that I was ignoring, .....
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