Chemotype and sleep

[avahZ]

Been reading up on kava chemotypes, body, headiness, etc. From what I have gathered you want 2 and 5 in the first 3 spots for sleepiness. I am trying to get off the crazy train pill ambien and kava seems to fit the bill. I am a bit confused though, from what I can tell Nene kava is good for sleep based on the comments here, but the chemotype on GHK generally does not have the 2 & 5 in the top spots.

Am I missing something? Before I order the micronized Nene from GHK, I want to be sure I won't be bouncing off the bedroom walls!

Thanks!

 

[kavadude]

I'd be surprised if you found a kava that has you bouncing off the bedroom walls! My personal sleepytime kava is boroguru, but it's hard to go wrong. I find I don't really need a strongly sedating variety of kava; a couple minutes of letting my head swim in the kava stream and I'm out. Most kava strains seems to help out my insomnia without being particularly sedating as is the case with most sleep medications.

 

[verticity]

Nene's chemotype per Deleted User is 246513. The 2 (DHK) in the first spot makes it relatively sedating, and 5 (DHM) is not in the top 3, which would be skirting two-day territory, but relatively prominent at #4.

 

[sumguy]

How many servings do you get from a 50 gram package of the Nene Instant Kava (which the GHK website says is actually 463251, but I don't really know what the numbers mean anyway)? I'm looking for something more economical than the Gaia capsules, without having to do a lot of work...

 

[Steve Mariotti]

How many servings do you get from a 50 gram package of the Nene Instant Kava (which the GHK website says is actually 463251, but I don't really know what the numbers mean anyway)? I'm looking for something more economical than the Gaia capsules, without having to do a lot of work...

Weird, that doesn't look like a Nene chemotype.

Looks like Mo'i.

I'd expect nene to have at least 2 in the first 3 positions, and not start with 4.

Numbers are:

1 - Desmethoxyangonin (no idea)
2 - Dihydrokavain (sedating)
3 - Yangonin (mild anxiogenic)
4 - Kavain (euphoric)
5 - Dihydromethysticin (no fucking idea)
6 - Methysticin (no idea here either)

http://www.kavalibrary.com/Chemotypes.html

 

[verticity]

True Kava's testing has 246513 for Nene, which makes more sense. DHK is first, so sedating. DHM is in 4th position, so relatively prominent without being non-noble, and also sedating.

 

[verticity]

How many servings do you get from a 50 gram package of the Nene Instant Kava (which the GHK website says is actually 463251, but I don't really know what the numbers mean anyway)? I'm looking for something more economical than the Gaia capsules, without having to do a lot of work...

There would be about 6 one tablespoon servings in 50 grams of instant. This is based on @infraredz's measurement of an average of 8 grams per tablespoon of kava powder.
Micronized would be a more economical choice. 1/2 pound of micronized would give you 28 servings.

 

[avahZ]

Yea being rather new to this also, that is one of the things that confused me. The nene on GHK did not have the 2 in the top numbers in the first three test, but did in the fourth test. I asked Chris on the GHK threads and received no answer. I did end up buying it in the sample pack, so far I am not a fan of this nene for sedating purposes. But the boroguru that does have the 2 as the first number is hitting the mark!

Weird, that doesn't look like a Nene chemotype

Looks like Mo'i.

I'd expect nene to have at least 2 in the first 3 positions, and not start with 4.

Numbers are:

1 - Desmethoxyangonin (no idea)
2 - Dihydrokavain (sedating)
3 - Yangonin (mild anxiogenic)
4 - Kavain (euphoric)
5 - Dihydromethysticin (no fucking idea)
6 - Methysticin (no idea here either)

http://www.kavalibrary.com/Chemotypes.html

Weird, that doesn't look like a Nene chemotype.

Looks like Mo'i.

I'd expect nene to have at least 2 in the first 3 positions, and not start with 4.

Numbers are:

1 - Desmethoxyangonin (no idea)
2 - Dihydrokavain (sedating)
3 - Yangonin (mild anxiogenic)
4 - Kavain (euphoric)
5 - Dihydromethysticin (no fucking idea)
6 - Methysticin (no idea here either)

http://www.kavalibrary.com/Chemotypes.html

 

[Steve Mariotti]

Nene's not knock-out-drops. It's sedating in the sense that it makes you really calm and everything feels very placid and in secure. It also limbers up your body which makes it easier to relax.

Deleted User's testing shows it's 246513. DHK is definitely dominant. Euphoric too, with Kavain high in the chemotype.The percentages tell the full story. We need Kavagrams(tm).

http://www.truekava.com/chemotype.html

 

[avahZ]

I do find it fascinating the different effects from the ones I tried. I find a few like nene, but there is something about it that I can not quite put my finger on that I don't like. Moi makes me a bit jumpy, but in low doses mixed with my cold brew coffee in the mornings is wonderful. But so far my fav has to be boroguru. It's relaxing, helps calm the raging sea that's in my head, and just overall makes me want to sit back and enjoy the small things in life.

Nene's not knock-out-drops. It's sedating in the sense that it makes you really calm and everything feels very placid and in secure. It also limbers up your body which makes it easier to relax.

Deleted User's testing shows it's 246513. DHK is definitely dominant. Euphoric too, with Kavain high in the chemotype.The percentages tell the full story. We need Kavagrams(tm).

http://www.truekava.com/chemotype.html

 

[verticity]

...boroguru. It's relaxing, helps calm the raging sea that's in my head, and just overall makes me want to sit back and enjoy the small things in life.

That's a great description of the kava experience

 

[tomkrat]

whatever chemotype that 11 year waka is keeps me up like i munched down a bunch of ginseng and washed it down with a steaming cup of no-doze. definitely not bedtime kava. i actually drank a bunch at work yesterday and had a wonderful time: great mood, lots of energy, many fun-fun times