Dosing

[Yianni]

Bula!
So I'm new to kava I haven't even tried yet, I just read a lot about it and am now waiting for a shipment from KWK.
I wanna know how many grams are needed to feel it? Please don't answer in tbspoons or cups or other weird non metric systems cause it won't really help [emoji14]
Thanks!

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[Krunkie McKrunkface]

In general 100 g of medium grind = 1 cup which = 16 TBS

1 TBS of medium grind = ~ 6.25g

now, how do you define "feel it" ?

I can feel it from as little as 2g, but I can really feel it at 25g . This depends on what you want. And for that matter, why does one want to feel it? The greatest health effects for me can come from a dose so low that I "feel" nothing but it has a tremendous systemic effect on my body. OTOH, I sure do love the feel of 25g of good root. It's all good, IMO.

All the above applies just to medium grind. I don't know if that's what you ordered or micronised of instant or whatever. Also, it will depend on the type of prep you do. And how sensiive you are and how used to kavalactones you are. And what mood you are in and whatever other distractions you might have, and how much food is in your stomach, how much sleep you've had recently and when the last time you had a drink of alcohol was. There's probably a few other factors. There is a lot of variability between individuals, some only need a little, some need a lot, some don't need a lot but just like a lot, and some people it seems nothing ever happens no matter how hard they try.

 

[Krunkaroo]

I don't like the TBSP talk either. I tell you what, 7 grams of KWK Micornised does me right, if I want to go into krunk territory then I'll do another 3-4 grams.

 

[Groggy]

Bula!
So I'm new to kava I haven't even tried yet, I just read a lot about it and am now waiting for a shipment from KWK.
I wanna know how many grams are needed to feel it? Please don't answer in tbspoons or cups or other weird non metric systems cause it won't really help [emoji14]
Thanks!

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I'd keep it simple at between 1/4 cup to 1/2 cup on the high end. I stick to a 1/3 of a cup (6 tbs) with 2-3 cups of water.

@Krunkie McKrunkface The average tbs weight is more like 7-8 grams, Squanch is 8.5. We did a community test on it last year, I have to find the thread..

 

[Yianni]

I'd keep it simple at between 1/4 cup to 1/2 cup on the high end. I stick to a 1/3 of a cup (6 tbs) with 2-3 cups of water.

@Krunkie McKrunkface The average tbs weight is more like 7-8 grams, Squanch is 8.5. We did a community test on it last year, I have to find the thread..

At least 40 grams?? That seems too much?

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[Groggy]

1/4 cup is 4 tbs or maybe 20-30 grams depending on the kava, it's a good place to start and experiment from there. I only use a 1/2 if I want to get krunked on the first shell.

 

[Groggy]

Here are some older threads that we've talked about grams and dosing;
http://kavaforums.com/forum/threads/kava-spoon-measurement-disambiguation.9039/
http://kavaforums.com/forum/threads/dosage-with-med-grind-micro-instant.8537/#post-101374

This is the thread I was referring to @Krunkie McKrunkface
http://kavaforums.com/forum/threads/requesting-your-help.7614/#post-92872

With this information, we begun to fill in all vendor product profiles with the weight in grams per tbs. If you look at the "Analytics" tab for most vendors, you can see this information. The ones that are missing are because we didn't have a weight for them at the time.

 

[blindy107]

Welcome! You and your nonsensical metric system...hah!

I use 50grams when I want to grow roots.

 

[Yianni]

1/4 cup is 4 tbs or maybe 20-30 grams depending on the kava, it's a good place to start and experiment from there. I only use a 1/2 if I want to get krunked on the first shell.

Wait, so you use 20-30 grams for a session of multiple shells or just one?

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[NAMBATU]

Try six or seven centimetres.

 

[Groggy]

Wait, so you use 20-30 grams for a session of multiple shells or just one?

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Yes, regardless of the prep method, I always do three washes.

 

[Yianni]

Yes, regardless of the prep method, I always do three washes.

Ok but how many shells from each wash? you don't drink 40 grams in one go, do you?

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[Groggy]

Ok but how many shells from each wash? you don't drink 40 grams in one go, do you?

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I don't think of shells as a 4 oz serving, I think of it as an Aluball's worth, so around 700ml of water on the first wash, I then use around 500ml on the second and a little less on the third. This is using two Aluballs or around 30 grams of root.

The times I use 1/3 - 1/2 a cup of root, I make it traditionally and can get two good washes out of the same powder (brand). I think the big difference there is that I can knead it longer so I end up getting all the KL's out on 2 washes. Sometimes I do 3 washes, depends how much kava is left

 

[Yianni]

I don't think of shells as a 4 oz serving, I think of it as an Aluball's worth, so around 700ml of water on the first wash, I then use around 500ml on the second and a little less on the third. This is using two Aluballs or around 30 grams of root.

The times I use 1/3 - 1/2 a cup of root, I make it traditionally and can get two good washes out of the same powder (brand). I think the big difference there is that I can knead it longer so I end up getting all the KL's out on 2 washes. Sometimes I do 3 washes, depends how much kava is left

Sorry for insisting too much on this but I'm a total noob.. what I wanna know is, do you chug each wash in one go? For example the first wash you said 700ml, do you actually chug 700 ml? Or do you separate it to say 2-3 doses and chug them every 20 minutes?

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[Groggy]

Sorry for insisting too much on this but I'm a total noob.. what I wanna know is, do you chug each wash in one go? For example the first wash you said 700ml, do you actually chug 700 ml? Or do you separate it to say 2-3 doses and chug them every 20 minutes?

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I chug it in either one or two gulps, a few minutes apart. I want to point out though that I build up to this amount, I didn't start out drinking kava in this quantity. I started with 4 tbs and worked my way up to a comfortable amt. that worked best for me. Some people need more and others less.
I do begin to space out the second and third washes a bit more, like 10-20 minutes apart because the first one hits me hard.

 

[Yianni]

I chug it in either one or two gulps, a few minutes apart. I want to point out though that I build up to this amount, I didn't start out drinking kava in this quantity. I started with 4 tbs and worked my way up to a comfortable amt. that worked best for me. Some people need more and others less.
I do begin to space out the second and third washes a bit more, like 10-20 minutes apart because the first one hits me hard.

I think I understand, thanks[emoji4]
Still feels like a lot though haha.
I started 2 days ago with 1 tbs, I'll up it today to 2-3

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[Groggy]

I think I understand, thanks[emoji4]
Still feels like a lot though haha.
I started 2 days ago with 1 tbs, I'll up it today to 2-3

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Did you get desirable effects from 1 tbs? If not, then bump it to 2 per 8oz of water and see how you feel.

Glad to help as best as I can, don't worry about asking too many questions. We all started in the same place.

 

[Yianni]

Did you get desirable effects from 1 tbs? If not, then bump it to 2 per 8oz of water and see how you feel.

Glad to help as best as I can, don't worry about asking too many questions. We all started in the same place.

Not really. at 2 tbs I start to feel something but looks like I need a bit more

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[Yianni]

I did 3 washes with 2 tbs and put them all in a jug. Around 600 ml. Too damn much to chug at one or two gulps though.

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[yiki]

I'm using 30-40g with 500ml of water and try to drink that as quickly as possible so within 5 minutes or so. I tried drinking it in one go, but it just comes back up.