thewanderingwise1
Kava Curious
That would be see awesome , I was just assuming it was because what ive heard about the quality, but it would be good to know for sure.specially because when get my friends to try it they'll wanna kno forsure
is ghk organically grown
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I remember Chris telling us a long time ago that he composts and uses that for fertilizer but I couldn't tell ya for sure since I'm not at the farm. @Gourmet Hawaiian Kava could give you a final answer. So I tagged him and let's see what comes up.
Hi, I am so sorry for the late reply. I am not certified organic, there are only 2 farms that are certified organic for kava Pinner creek organics and Puu O Hoku Ranch.
That being said, I do not use any poisons and I do not use chemical fertilizers. Please let me know if you have any other questions, aloha.
Chris
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If you are not using Poisons or chemical fertilizers, then you are growing organic in my book. Though you may not be certified. I try real hard to buy organic fertilizers for my garden 'cause I just can't make enough compost for all the plants we have. I have been noticing that even though some ingredients seem to be organic, that do not have the stamp of approval. @Gourmet Hawaiian Kava , when you get a chance, could you explain what is needed to be "certified".
thewanderingwise1
Kava Curious
Thanks Chris, im satisfied. I worked on a farm over the summer doing the same.basically switching to organic but from what they said you have to be growing organic for a few years to get certified or something along those lines just curious but is that the situation your in?
kasa_balavu
Yaqona Dina
I'm sure it's different in Hawaii, but elsewhere in the Pacific... you need dollars... tens of thousands of them
Out of curiosity, what does certification require. To my understanding, there're no universally accepted "organic" farming practices and in fact you can claim "organic" without doing much. Is that not true?
Kavababa
Kava Curious
I feel like organic is almost trademarked in a sense and you can use things like "cultivated without chemicals" or "wildcrafted" but to say organic you have to go through certification process. I was at a farmers market in MS and the farmers made a big deal about how they have to be careful about the terminology.
kasa_balavu
Yaqona Dina
In the developed world, this isn't true. I the US, I believe you need to be certified by an organisation accredited by the USDA. I'm not sure what the process is like in the US.
For me to have a farm audited in Fiji I'd have to spend a few thousand dollars on airline tickets and accommodation for an auditor from Australia on top of all the actual costs of certification. I'd pay pay some fees, fill out some forms, they come and test my fields. Then I wait 3 years and spend thousands more for them to come over again and run some tests to prove that my fields have been free of "toxins" for 3 years. They audit my processes, and if it all checks out, I get the stamp of approval and can finally call my produce organic. Then I pay fees and airline tickets and accommodation every year after that for them to do a farm check. I suppose if there are other farms in Fiji getting audited by the same organisation, we could split the airfares and accommodation.
It's crazy expensive.
That's correct, and it's a good thing. Protecting words and names is the only way to ensure that customers aren't lied to about the products they're consuming. There are sellers of tudei kava right now calling their kava noble. The only thing consumers can do is rely on third parties (eg. True Kava Labs) to certify that kava is noble. We'll never be able to protect the term "noble" as used with kava, and that illustrates one of the benefits of protecting the word "organic".
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To my way of thinking, if the guys says he uses no chemicals or fertilizers, and I see a huge compost pile, then he's growing organic. Here's a little curve ball for you. Some of my buddies stopped using horse manure because they claim they don't know what poisons went into the hay that the horses ate. So I went manureless last year and my compost production went down. But I'm getting ready to go get a big trash can full today because I don't have any grass cuttings yet and I need a bunch of compost for my future (9 months from now) plans. The crap they sell at the dirt place just doesn't cut it.
Kavababa
Kava Curious
Kasa: Definitely appreciate and respect the movement to test noble and keep it as true as possible.
There is an importance to having a process to ensure that things are what they claimed to be.
Also definitely understand small growers/producers not wanting to pay thousands of dollars for certification and value transparency in growing/cultivation methods for those that don't seek certification.
There is an importance to having a process to ensure that things are what they claimed to be.
Also definitely understand small growers/producers not wanting to pay thousands of dollars for certification and value transparency in growing/cultivation methods for those that don't seek certification.
verticity
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In the US, there apparently is a loophole: if your farm grosses less than $5000 per year, you can legally slap an organic label on without certification.
Zac Imiola (Herbalist)
Kava Connoisseur
Then I wait 3 years and spend thousands more for them to come over again and run some tests to prove that my fields have been free of "toxins" for 3 years
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this is pretty much the proccess here , as long as i guess you make over 5000 dollars as @verticity stated.
@Deleted User01
this is pretty much the proccess here , as long as i guess you make over 5000 dollars as @verticity stated.
Zac Imiola (Herbalist)
Kava Connoisseur
Its pretty much all a sham though because the certification of USDA still allows for vast amounts of chemicals that aren't naturally occurring in the product you buy to be present, tons of which aren't the safest i'm assuming. Its pretty much loophole after loophole for the bigger companies.
Sam Handwich
Kava Enthusiast
This is correct, also, many naturally occurring chemicals are allowed that may not be the safest. Liquefied metals such as copper are allowed and when a living organism like a bug eats it it dies, we are just enough bigger to be able to endure some poison with out croaking...immediately. if it kills a bug on contact I really don't want to eat it.
Zac Imiola (Herbalist)
Kava Connoisseur
Exactly and the whole point is. You don't eat one potatoe plant that was sprayed or this and that. If we were to allow this crap on everything like monsanto wants, then we would by the very nature of our "diverse" diets be exposed to these same chemicals on 50 different foods each week giving it time to accumulate to that level for us. And that's exactly what's happening..
Glyphosate stops plant production and synthesis of three key amino acids,
Tyrosine, phenalynanine, and tryptophan .
Now I know technically it's for plants. But this stuff is on everything now, all crops that use Round up.
What if this causes the lack of synthesis of these in our bodies.
That would mean. Not enough serotonin, dopamine, melatonin and many other chemicals we depend on for our brain and body to function properly .
This is practically psychic warfare seeing that these chemicals are directly linked to perception and mood.
Glyphosate stops plant production and synthesis of three key amino acids,
Tyrosine, phenalynanine, and tryptophan .
Now I know technically it's for plants. But this stuff is on everything now, all crops that use Round up.
What if this causes the lack of synthesis of these in our bodies.
That would mean. Not enough serotonin, dopamine, melatonin and many other chemicals we depend on for our brain and body to function properly .
This is practically psychic warfare seeing that these chemicals are directly linked to perception and mood.
thewanderingwise1
Kava Curious
Well yall convinced me, I should have my moi within a couple days.as far as organic goes itsall about ffinding trusted vendors.and finding a good place to wild craft and a good foeld guide to use to identify plants, and a good juicer.and a local farmer u can trust.I don't do this yet but as soon as the seasons right I will.seems like the best thing I can do for optimum health and ive done extremely exstensive research on the subject with lots of help from local professionals in the field.
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