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Noname
What are effects of toss and wash. I use a strainer so its basically Toss and wash without the makas .
There are nylon bags you can get from some vendors to strain the medium grind kava, I am sorry but I do not have any for sale. I go to walmart of some place like that and I get a pair of knee high stockings, I put one stocking in the other to double them up. Then I put the medium grind kava in there and start kneading the kava in a bowl of water. I have tried the alu ball but it does not work for me. The amount of kava I use does not fit in the alu ball. The stocking work well for me and you can reuse them a lot of times but I do admit that the nylon strainer from The Kava Society is great, I have used it before and I love it. They also have good directions that you can see right here at this link---http://kavasociety.nz/kava-preparation/4587268425
I am sure others will chime in and help to answer your question. Aloha.
Chris
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Noname
I prefer using strainer used for cooking because it's stronger. Is it bad for you?
I do not think it is bad for you but some people who are not used to so much fiber might get some stomach issues like nausea. It is the same with the micronized kava, some people can't take the extra fiber. You can do a search on this forums for toss and wash and see what you can find out from what others have said. Aloha nui loa.
Chris
Tell the truth Chris, you only drink instant.
You are right, what can I say, when you are the source for Hawaiian instant kava. I find it hard not to go to the instant, it is so easy to make. Heck I'm my best customer.Tell the truth Chris, you only drink instant.
But I do use the medium grind sometimes, like when I order from Kalm with Kava, I like more than just Hawaiian kava, I love all kinds of kava. Mike @Kalm with Kava has some real great stuff and it is always good so I never need to worry. I also get some kava from Kava Kauai, Garry Mack has been a friend of mine for many years, he used to grow some real good Hawaiian kava too.
Aloha.
Chris
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Noname
Blend kava and since it's already been in the blender all it takes is 30 seconds of squeezing cloth and that's it ready to go. I don't know why people aren't doing this
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Noname
Blend for 1 minute I think anymore than one minute is useless. Magic bullet is a Kool blender. And it makes stronger kava. This should be on homepage at top
I have one of those blenders, I think I am going to give this a try. It sounds like it would make it stronger. We will see.
Chris
Zac Imiola (Herbalist)
Kava Connoisseur
We do !
I've mentioned this method many a times and so have many others!
Ninja blender for the win !
If your using a cooking strainer I assume your still not squeezing all the goodies out then tho
I've mentioned this method many a times and so have many others!
Ninja blender for the win !
If your using a cooking strainer I assume your still not squeezing all the goodies out then tho
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Noname
All the stuff passes thru until there's only makas left. I should try to add more water and strain makas and see what comes out.
Plantacious
Kava Enthusiast
I see a lot of excellent and helpful suggestions here, but after reading the thread, I'm still not clear on the answer to his original question about
whether it's bad to toss & wash. I assume there's a benefit to using the other methods, which must be the reason people suggest them, but
what is the reason ?
This is my guess, after reading through much of the site and tell me if I am correct : Toss & Wash can cause upset stomach in some people, but not all, which is why
it's not recommended.
However I believe it also depends on the "grade" - whether it's medium grind, micronized, or instant.
I suppose upset stomach is less likely in micronized, and even lesser likely in instant - am I correct in that, as well ?
So, basically if you T&W. and feel no ill effects, you're okay, right ?
Or is there some other factors, such as potency, or long-term health issues ?
whether it's bad to toss & wash. I assume there's a benefit to using the other methods, which must be the reason people suggest them, but
what is the reason ?
This is my guess, after reading through much of the site and tell me if I am correct : Toss & Wash can cause upset stomach in some people, but not all, which is why
it's not recommended.
However I believe it also depends on the "grade" - whether it's medium grind, micronized, or instant.
I suppose upset stomach is less likely in micronized, and even lesser likely in instant - am I correct in that, as well ?
So, basically if you T&W. and feel no ill effects, you're okay, right ?
Or is there some other factors, such as potency, or long-term health issues ?
evrnd
Kava Enthusiast
I believe (someone PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong) but GHK's micro (maybe KWK, BKH, etc?) is more than just micro-filtered medium... right?
It seems to me that I get stronger effects from micro than from strong, medium grind. Well, stronger and different. A perfect example of this is GHK's Boroguru - the micro kicks my ass, every time. The medium grind is nice, but does not feel as potent. I have also noticed when comparing noble kavas, medium grind doesn't have as strong a diuretic effect nor is it as crazy drying for my skin. (Kava Vinaka Waka has challenged this theory - I drank it for two nights in a row and it felt like every drop of moisture had been sucked out of my eyeballs, but I think it tested as borderline with the acetone test).
All this to say, my not-so-scientific theory is that the more of the material you consume, the more powerful the effects BUT the more taxing and side-effect inducing. This could be complete and utter BS, but it seems like there would be a reason people have been filtering it for so long. I have always guessed (whether my stomach can take it or not) that the more it's filtered, the less difficult it is for my body to deal with. So filtered medium grind would be the easiest on it. Straight up chugging medium grind, aka full on toss n' washing it, would be the hardest on it.
A note from the author: I am not sure this makes any damn sense. There were a lot of thoughts that might have been a little too scrambled to make any sort of coherent statement.
It seems to me that I get stronger effects from micro than from strong, medium grind. Well, stronger and different. A perfect example of this is GHK's Boroguru - the micro kicks my ass, every time. The medium grind is nice, but does not feel as potent. I have also noticed when comparing noble kavas, medium grind doesn't have as strong a diuretic effect nor is it as crazy drying for my skin. (Kava Vinaka Waka has challenged this theory - I drank it for two nights in a row and it felt like every drop of moisture had been sucked out of my eyeballs, but I think it tested as borderline with the acetone test).
All this to say, my not-so-scientific theory is that the more of the material you consume, the more powerful the effects BUT the more taxing and side-effect inducing. This could be complete and utter BS, but it seems like there would be a reason people have been filtering it for so long. I have always guessed (whether my stomach can take it or not) that the more it's filtered, the less difficult it is for my body to deal with. So filtered medium grind would be the easiest on it. Straight up chugging medium grind, aka full on toss n' washing it, would be the hardest on it.
A note from the author: I am not sure this makes any damn sense. There were a lot of thoughts that might have been a little too scrambled to make any sort of coherent statement.
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Chris removes the makas (unusable parts) before he processes into a micronized, so it's definitely more than just filtered medium grind. I'd say Chris's micronized kava is a bit closer to instant kava than the traditionally micronized kava preparations.
It makes good sense.
Successfully toss and washing medium grind should come with some sort of participation award. You get every bit of the kava, so you get every bit of the side effects kava can bring on at high doses including nausea, lethargy, and dermapothy. Will it harm you? I'm still living and I tossed and washed for the first year or so of my kava career. This was back in the dark ages, and we know better than to do that now
Basically if you're going to use the toss and wash method, probably should stick to micronized. It'll be the easiest to get down and keep down.
evrnd
Kava Enthusiast
In other circles, toss and wash means taking the dry powder, tossing it in your mouth, and washing it down with liquid. It's interesting that people use that differently with kava. I pointed this out to someone in another thread - I call what we do with micro, mixing the kava in some liquid and drinking it, stir (or shake) and chug. Like I always say... potato potato!Chris removes the makas (unusable parts) before he processes into a micronized, so it's definitely more than just filtered medium grind. I'd say Chris's micronized kava is a bit closer to instant kava than the traditionally micronized kava preparations.
It makes good sense.
Successfully toss and washing medium grind should come with some sort of participation award. You get every bit of the kava, so you get every bit of the side effects kava can bring on at high doses including nausea, lethargy, and dermapothy. Will it harm you? I'm still living and I tossed and washed for the first year or so of my kava career. This was back in the dark ages, and we know better than to do that now
Basically if you're going to use the toss and wash method, probably should stick to micronized. It'll be the easiest to get down and keep down.
If you were to do what I call toss 'n' wash with most of the medium grind I've seen (excluding Kava Supreme and some others), you would choke on the pointy bits as they stabbed you in the throat. I was shocked (and a little impressed) when I thought that's what some were saying they did with kava. Like GI Joe used to say... knowing is half the battle.
Plantacious
Kava Enthusiast
So if Toss N Wash with Micro is considered okay, would that mean that Toss N Wash with Instant is less likely to cause problems with digestion, etc ?
nickbroken
Kava Enthusiast
Toss and wash makes you a man.
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Noname
@Plantacious when I say toss and wash I mean strain with a cooking strainer so you get everything except for the makas. I do it with no problems but everyone is different