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Kava as a replacement for Alcohol - which brands do you recommend?

Vekta

Notorious Lightweight
Review Maestro
kavaclos said:
if you guys want a sample send me a PM please, I can guarantee it will change your mind and you will become a promoter just like me
I think we're getting a little too far off topic at this point though. Mentioning it in a thread is fine, nothing wrong with that. If you're this much of a fan about the products tells us about it...in a new thread so we can actually talk about it. New kava swag? Yes please!
I won't say much about Judd and the way he chose to make inroads into the Kava Lounge community. Agree with his methods or not I have to point out he did at least start his own thread specifically to tell us about his products.
 

Dan

Kava Enthusiast
kavaclos said:
if you guys want a sample send me a PM please, I can guarantee it will change your mind and you will become a promoter just like me
First you "do not represent any company" and now you're giving away samples?  WTF?

Stop hijacking every other thread, start your own thread, be done with this b.s.
 

kavalover

Outsider
I'm a root-head. I don't care much for extracts. Even the awesome paradise kava extracts, though I may try to get ahold of one of those hour break sprays if they're free or a good price.

Traditional method is key here for me though, so, yeah. Chill out on the spam posts, you've made your thread, if people are interested in extracts they will find it if they come to this forum and search "extracts" - Just make sure to edit your original post and tag "kava, extracts, extract" and other such tags so that it will show up in a forum search.



and kava is relaxing, but we already have annoying spam bots going around and all we're trying to do is construct a nice community of kava-lovers. You've advertised your product, we got the message, lol, now do what Judd does after he advertises and contribute to the growing database of kava information/experiences which is this forum.
 

kl.Swingline

Kava Curious
Still looking for opinions on strains of kava that could be my new nighly ritual. Does the stone have a lethargic or lazy effect? Who sells Tongan pride? Thx!
 

Ed!

Kava Enthusiast
Ed said:
I'm in a similar situation. My alcohol habits haven't been the best of late so I want to use kava as an alternative... After digging around here and looking online I think Stone from Nakamal at Home may be a good option. I'll report back when I try it...
Following up on my comment above. I did end up getting my Stone in last weekend and gave it a try. I was very happy with the effect, but you'll probably have to try it yourself to say whether it's for you or not.
I've really only tried my Stone once, so I'm not terribly familiar with the feel of it yet, but it was reasonably comparable to the positive effects of alcohol for me.
I first felt it in my head, not in my body and then I feel like it worked it's way out to my body to give me a "softened" feeling. An alcohol numbness for me is more like having a heavy object lightly pressing me. The kava numbness was not so heavy feeling, it was more like changing from a dry noodle to a cooked one. I did actually feel a little weak too, like coming out of a too-hot shower, so my noodle metaphor is turning out pretty awesome. I did reach what I would say was an intoxicated stage, which was interesting, but my brain wasn't slowed, and I didn't feel tired, I was actually typing notes and everything was well written start to finish :) I also felt very warm in my core and there was a consistent pressure in my head, but not unpleasantly so (might have had to do with sinuses).
I haven't heard anyone else describe kava experiences quite the way I felt it, so I don't know if what I felt is representative of what you'd feel. I also took it a bit further than I would for regular nightly usage, but I didn't really have any side-effects from it. I felt tired the next day, but I feel tired plenty of days.
When I was reading about Stone some people did comment that it affected them emotionally, and I think I might have felt a bit of that too. For a split second I felt really sad for no reason, and then it was gone.
Who knows, my second experience may be nothing like my first one with Stone, but I would recommend using it as an alcohol replacement from what I've felt so far. I would just be careful not to overdo it, since they give some pretty darn potent mixing instructions in the package (and I did it at about half that strength).
 

Dan

Kava Enthusiast
Ed said:
The kava numbness was not so heavy feeling, it was more like changing from a dry noodle to a cooked one.
Haha, nice.

Stone is about as intoxicating as they come in my experience.  Impaired movement, "heavy" feel, slightly slurred speech, etc.
 

kl.Swingline

Kava Curious
So I ended up getting fu'u and V3. They both arrived promptly. The V3 envelope smelled heavenly so I tried it first mid morning two tablespoons in 8 oz of water. Didn't have a nylon. Didn't knead. Just drank it after blending and soaking. Got a bit relaxed. Came home in the evening. Drank a bottle of wine. Kicked myself all through the night. Today I mixed up the Fu'u s

1/2 cup to 3, 1/2 cups of water. Soaked. Blended kneaded for a few minutes squeezed. Drank mid morning and afternoon so I would be scared to drink wine right on top of the kava. I wasn't feeling super happy about my genius idea to drink kava instead of wine but the effects started kicking In. Relaxing me and taking the edge off. It was no wine but I almost pretty well liked it better. My mind was clear. I will try stone next I think. I was too chicken to. I haven't had an alcohol free night in months and that was white knuckling it!! I just made it thru with ease! Yeah me!!
 

kl.Swingline

Kava Curious
Night two. No wine. Just Kava. LOVE the kava. I have tried so many many times to get away from the booze. If you drink to relax and unwind I highly recommend you give Kava a shot. Waking up feeling happy instead of disgusted with yourself is the best!
 

Vekta

Notorious Lightweight
Review Maestro
You's apart of da family now, you's rememba dat, capisce Swingline? Tell Vinnie I said Caio...
 

kl.new2kava

Kava Enthusiast
If your looking for a replacement to alcohol I'm going to guess that your looking for a more sedating and physically heavy type of kava as opposed to a more stimulating and euphoric type.

Typically strains heavy in DHM tend to be heavy on the body and the most intoxicating, the most profound I've stumbled across was tudei from KBR but they have been out for a while. Another great high DHM is boroguro from BKH, very relaxing and heavy on the body without the lagover into the next day. Slightly less cost affective high DM strains would likely be stone or chiefs from N@H, I'd reccomend stone out of the two personally.
 

kl.NDG

Kava Enthusiast
I would argue that a nice balanced kava with replicate the effects of alcohol. Alcohol hits almost every major neurotransmitter, having myorelaxant, euphoriant, anxiolytic etc effects. I would suggest that mixing a cerebral with a body kava would go the farthest. Kavain is the horse in my opinion for anxiety, DHM for sedation.
 

Prince Philip

Duke of Edinborogu
I'm trying to think, but I stopped drinking about a year, maybe 18 months, before I started using kava. I just got so drunk one day, so damned sick, that I decided "never again" and that was that.



If you're ambivalent about the future use of alcohol, I would recommend having fast-kava nearby, maybe even a rootlet to chew on. Paradise's extracts would be my first choice as a close-at-hand portable solution. If you're not looking for portability, Nakamal@home has some very good spray-dried kava powders.



As far as mix-the-roots-yourself kava, most people like a borogu variety like Nakamal@home's Black Sands. There are premium versions of this like Stone that have 100% lateral roots for a stronger product, and even more premium versions like WOW that remove even more bark.



If you need a certain lack of coordination to feel proper, I would recommend an ISA variety like Kava By Rex's Tudei kava.



Now, if you want to be disabled by your kava, what you want is Shaman. Take a good, strong kava like Kava By Rex's Tongan Warrior, mix it a little thicker than recommended. Now, in your shell, take some Shaman and a tablespoon or two of water, and make sure all the power is mixed in. Now, take your ladle or measuring cup (or empty plastic single-serving applesauce cup, in my case), and add some kava on top of your kava. I don't know why, but this is better than just drinking two servings.



I do have a hypothesis why, and it involves the fact that Shaman, Fire Island, and VKS Instant are all spray-dried extracts of fresh kava, which has a different chemical signature than kava made from dehydrated roots. Combining both fresh and dehydrated gives a fullness to the experience above and beyond the sum of its parts. At least, that's my hypothesis. Vince Lebot hasn't been able to accept my invitation to Buckingham yet.
 

kavalover

Outsider
I've yet to try black sand. It's always been on my list, and I always plan on buying it, and then some deal pops up that I can't refuse. In fact, it's Judd's fault. I remember having Black Sand and Chief's Jungle in my cart when I finally took a last minute trip to Judd's website and bought the Boroguru. Dammit Judd, with that amazingly done website and good prices.



I have to get Black Sand next time I'm shopping for kava. I'll make sure to not have any distractions.
 
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