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Kava: from a feminist Mormon perspective

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NAMBATU

Kava Enthusiast
Yes the article wasn't total garbage, but I can't see it as anything more than the classic women-not-wanting-men-to-have-fun thing that is as old as time and has never been bound by culture.

In the UK, the standard household argument is that the husband goes down to the pub too often and comes back late. He drinks with his friends, so even though she is allowed in the pub, she doesn't want to come and feels left out. I have heard similar complaints from hobbyist musicians, fishermen, hunters, Freemasons... At least in British culture, the women are free to have their giggly girly parties with tarts they will later claim to hate.

Patrice O'Neal said something like this about women: "we want you around, just not here", and it really rings true.
 

nickbroken

Kava Enthusiast
Lel, men need time alone. It's just how we are built. One of my best friends constantly gets grief when he says videos games despite the fact he works around 10ish hours a day, lol. When his wife wants to do something he just obeys like a whipped dog because he knows it's just easier to avoid the fight. Marriage is for suckers.
 

Zac Imiola (Herbalist)

Kava Connoisseur
Yeah this is more of an issue with our society's on earth and male female relations .. if it was at his house he should let his wife join and enjoy kava lol
 

nickbroken

Kava Enthusiast
Not really an article about Kava - more about marital relations. You could substitute kava for any number of other activities.
Lol yeah women aren't a fan of thing that take away time from them. Hope no women on the board read this, I will be a goner.
 

kastom_lif

Kava Lover
"Women are not just excluded from the faikava, they are shunned."

Well, I suppose Mormon would know a thing or two about shunning.

Let's make Tuesday Family Kava Night. Just relax with everybody included and mix a bucket. No exclusion. No formal ceremony. If you talk good story, maybe you can get some nakamal recommends. ;)
 

Zaphod

Kava Lover
"Women are not just excluded from the faikava, they are shunned."

Well, I suppose Mormon would know a thing or two about shunning.

Let's make Tuesday Family Kava Night. Just relax with everybody included and mix a bucket. No exclusion. No formal ceremony. If you talk good story, maybe you can get some nakamal recommends. ;)
I admit I got a good chuckle out of "mormon feminist". Not two words that typically go together.
Every night should be Kava Family Night! Well at least me and wifey...kids are too young.
 

TheKavaFlow

Kava Podcaster
Not many people know this about me (and I'm generally a private person so I'm struggling to admit this), but I was raised Mormon, and still attend a Mormon congregation each week with my own family. While I'm not as devout as I once was, I certainly still hold many of the tenets, one of which includes the idea that in most cases, you should abstain from things that alter your mind. The Mormon loophole in this frame of thinking nearly always comes with the clause, "unless directed by a doctor". I was diagnosed with GAD at one point, but had been using kava for years prior to the diagnosis being given, and while still being very active in the Mormon church.

I also never asked the church leadership about my usage of kava, but there's no official declaration from the church's headquarters on if kava is allowed by members. There are some areas (mostly the islands) that don't allow members to drink kava, and there are some areas that are fine with it. I'm not sure about my area, but I really don't care. I use it medicinally, and I'll be damned if anyone tells me otherwise.

It seems as though the author isn't discounting kava, but more the practice of abandoning your family for hours at a time, which I agree wholeheartedly with. I wish she would have gone into more detail as to the current, modern usage of kava in circles other than stateside Tongan circles. Perhaps I'll shoot her an email and see if she would be willing to talk.

I should probably do an episode of the KavaFlow on this subject, because these topics within Mormonism are super complex.
 

Krunkie McKrunkface

Kava Connoisseur
Let's make Tuesday Family Kava Night. Just relax with everybody included and mix a bucket. No exclusion. No formal ceremony. If you talk good story, maybe you can get some nakamal recommends. ;)
In two weeks time we are having a family kava circle, Mom and Dad and the kids. Going to be some good kava for that. The Leka Hina, Pouni Ono, Damu, Kava Tonga, Nambawan,..... I dunno, do other people here all drink kava with their family at get-togethers?
 

Krunkie McKrunkface

Kava Connoisseur
Not many people know this about me (and I'm generally a private person so I'm struggling to admit this), but I was raised Mormon, and still attend a Mormon congregation each week with my own family. While I'm not as devout as I once was, I certainly still hold many of the tenets, one of which includes the idea that in most cases, you should abstain from things that alter your mind. The Mormon loophole in this frame of thinking nearly always comes with the clause, "unless directed by a doctor". I was diagnosed with GAD at one point, but had been using kava for years prior to the diagnosis being given, and while still being very active in the Mormon church.

I also never asked the church leadership about my usage of kava, but there's no official declaration from the church's headquarters on if kava is allowed by members. There are some areas (mostly the islands) that don't allow members to drink kava, and there are some areas that are fine with it. I'm not sure about my area, but I really don't care. I use it medicinally, and I'll be damned if anyone tells me otherwise.

It seems as though the author isn't discounting kava, but more the practice of abandoning your family for hours at a time, which I agree wholeheartedly with. I wish she would have gone into more detail as to the current, modern usage of kava in circles other than stateside Tongan circles. Perhaps I'll shoot her an email and see if she would be willing to talk.

I should probably do an episode of the KavaFlow on this subject, because these topics within Mormonism are super complex.
I was struck by how well-written the article was. She'd make a great interviewee, I bet.
 

kasa_balavu

Yaqona Dina
There are some areas (mostly the islands) that don't allow members to drink kava, and there are some areas that are fine with it. I'm not sure about my area, but I really don't care. I use it medicinally, and I'll be damned if anyone tells me otherwise.
One of the heaviest kava drinkers I know is a bishop in the LDS church here. As far as I can tell, the church frowns upon the consumption of kava, but it isn't prohibited outright and they more or less turn a blind eye in practice.
 
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