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Kava Laws and Regulations. What's needed during a kava resurgence?

Paradise Kava

Paradise Kava

Honolulu, HI
Kava Vendor
Had lunch with a buddy or ours, Tyler of KT Botanicals and his family yesterday.


We are concerned over the recent synthetic marijuana busts in FL (sold out of kava bars)  and
according to him, several businesses in down there are turning kava bars
into the worst possible thing; an outlet for all sorts of other
substances which invite unnecessary attention towards kava and invite
the law to bust them up for non kava related stuff. Jeez! I can't even repeat some of the rubbish I heard. He went for the court hearings as well. 

Besides this, the
advertising campaigns are not positive to Kava's image and the general atmosphere down there is
apparently, 'drink till you puke'.



Since Tyler is weeks away from opening his new Kava bar in Sacramento, needless to say, 
we are concerned how this is going to affect the Kava Industry.



We discussed the idea of forming a Kava Association together and propose
some laws for kava's regulation to our congressmen eventually. Both of
us understood that it's going hurt a lot if it's the other way round!



I always felt lobbying is part of Paradise Kava's future and now it
looks like we may have a good friend who got our back and shares the
vision of getting kava out of the dog house and back in it's rightful
bed, with other safe and natural alternatives to pharm.

Both Tyler and I are tuned into the urgency of the situation with kava. It's a coin toss and go either way right now.

Remember 2001? It was the same scenario. Quick profits made big companies do stupid things and kava paid the price.

As we see a resurgence, we sense that people are headed in the same direction and they are taking kava with them, yet again.

As Members, what are some of the regulations which should be addressed and converted into laws?

The range is wide, starting from the farmer all the way thru retail shelf space.
 
Prince Philip

Prince Philip

Duke of Edinborogu
Well, child labor laws to start.



Though shalt not uproot a plant under three years old.



Though shalt not export a plant under five years old.
 
krunkedout

krunkedout

Kava Lover
Really I would hate to see it regulated by age. And the reason is, that will toss kava into the same place as alcohol and tobacco. And that's not what it is. And really when you think about it, a majority of people under 21 don't want to drink some bitter, murky substance. But once it's age regulated everyone will want to try it because that's just how it works, underage people drink because they can't. Yes I am a wee lad (under 21) and I would hate to have to stop sinking kava but I still think it would do more harm. Another thing would be somehow regulating where it can be served, as in, not in smoke shops, places that sell alcohol, and places that sell legal highs. I'm not sure if that's possible or not but still. I think an act that protects kava as a cultural substance and protects it from becoming a scheduled drug would be possible, the only issue would be who can buy it. Something that could discourage who can sell kava as a beverage would be a kava license. People who just want to lump it into a legal high category would be discouraged to sell kava because they wouldn't want to go through the process of getting a license issued. Any regulations that protect the identity of kava as a plant of significance is what I want. That way people won't take it and lump it into the K@ category or whatever. Everything comes down to responsibility though, people have to be responsible with everything, but unfortunately there are so many stupid people these days.
 
Prince Philip

Prince Philip

Duke of Edinborogu
"Warning, ISA is chemically different than other strains of kava and is not intended for daily use. Unlike other kavas, ISA is more primative and still contains pipermethystine-epoxide."
 
Prince Philip

Prince Philip

Duke of Edinborogu
Where I live, there are no kava bars. I am, therefore, coming from a position of no experience, save the experiences of my own life.



Here is what I suggest for kava bar regulation.



1.) No alcohol. Mixing kava and alcohol is, I have been told personally, a wonderful experience. The problem is that it's also dangerous, both short term and especially long term.



2.) No tobacco. Besides the health effects of second-hand smoke, let's be honest about second-hand stink. "Can you tell I just had a cigarette?" "Yeah, can you tell I just shit my pants?" Although I prefer to be draconian on this, what I am asking for is that there not be exemptions, like there are for casinos and betting racetracks in Indiana. As you can see, one of the detriments of making an exception for this vice in places of vice is association the activity with vice. "Getting drunk on rotten grain and gambling away your week's wages? Sure, may as well light up!"



3.) Age limit of 16, exempted for minors accompanied by parents.



4.) No Salvation Army bell ringers. I'm autistic, and one of my autistic sensory sensitivities is clanging metal. I don't like it. It hurts my ears. Alarm bells literally put me in a state of heightened alarm. In November and December, I have to do all my shopping after 10pm. It sucks. Given how loud sounds and bright lights "kill the kava," there needs to be regulation against Salvation Army Bells.



5.) Related to #4 above, I would suggest maximum levels for ambient light and noise.





When we are talking about regulations... talking about laws... we are talking about politics. I have been relatively apolitical here, but now I fear I must tip my hand, or allow the conversation to be dominated by those who's agendas do not reflect mine. If I do that, I would give the illusion of false consensus.
 
odys1i

odys1i

Kava Enthusiast
and anybody fucking around with synthetic cannabanoids is simply daft. I strongly feel legal Kava should be used to show that you can use herbs responsibly, use of herbs is more healthful and responsible than use of synthetics/drugs/alcohol and that the illegal status of herbs like cannabis hurts everyone.
 
krunkedout

krunkedout

Kava Lover
Prince Philip said:
Where I live, there are no kava bars. I am, therefore, coming from a position of no experience, save the experiences of my own life.



Here is what I suggest for kava bar regulation.



1.) No alcohol. Mixing kava and alcohol is, I have been told personally, a wonderful experience. The problem is that it's also dangerous, both short term and especially long term.



2.) No tobacco. Besides the health effects of second-hand smoke, let's be honest about second-hand stink. "Can you tell I just had a cigarette?" "Yeah, can you tell I just shit my pants?" Although I prefer to be draconian on this, what I am asking for is that there not be exemptions, like there are for casinos and betting racetracks in Indiana. As you can see, one of the detriments of making an exception for this vice in places of vice is association the activity with vice. "Getting drunk on rotten grain and gambling away your week's wages? Sure, may as well light up!"



3.) Age limit of 16, exempted for minors accompanied by parents.



4.) No Salvation Army bell ringers. I'm autistic, and one of my autistic sensory sensitivities is clanging metal. I don't like it. It hurts my ears. Alarm bells literally put me in a state of heightened alarm. In November and December, I have to do all my shopping after 10pm. It sucks. Given how loud sounds and bright lights "kill the kava," there needs to be regulation against Salvation Army Bells.



5.) Related to #4 above, I would suggest maximum levels for ambient light and noise.





When we are talking about regulations... talking about laws... we are talking about politics. I have been relatively apolitical here, but now I fear I must tip my hand, or allow the conversation to be dominated by those who's agendas do not reflect mine. If I do that, I would give the illusion of false consensus.
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these all sounds like very doable ideas
 
Prince Philip

Prince Philip

Duke of Edinborogu
Here's what I want.



February is Black History Month.

March is Women's History Month.

April is Autism Awareness Month.

October is Domestic Violence Awareness Month.



On this board, many of the more common posters are self-identified as Autistics. (Forum users, in general, tend to be INTJ, which is very rare in the general population but fairly comm in the Broader Autistic Phenotype). The current political climate makes us similar in many ways to other disadvantaged groups, such as the Australian Aborigines. The abuse of kava by Aborigines was what triggered Australia to be the first country to ban kava.



Let's take back April. Let's celebrate people like Einstein and Jefferson. Let April be Autistic History Month. Help create a climate in which we can be proud of who we are. We won't need kava for anxiety and PTSD and can just use it the same way normal people in kava drinking cultures use it if we can stop cruel practices like A.B.A. that give its victims permanent inferiority complexes.
 
Prince Philip

Prince Philip

Duke of Edinborogu
Another thing I want to know is what I'm drinking. Take, for example, Black Sands Kava from Nakamal@Home. I order three kilos. One kilo is Borugo. One of the kilos is Boroguro. One of the kilos is Melo Melo. Yeah, I know, all three are likely to be a mixture, but what kind of mixture I don't know. I assume that Chief's Jungle is Madang Short.



The Paradise Hawaiian kava, which I have had a bad reaction to, "is a blend of Native Hawaiian Cultivars only. You will find that no two batches of micro processed kava are perfectly identical."



Yeah, I've watched "The Botany of Desire" and I know that an obsession of monocultures isn't good. Not all fries need to be made out of Russet Burbanks, right?



To be fair to Paradise Kava, all native Hawaiian kavas are noble and have chemotypes starting with 426. They probably come from one cultivar that is the progenitor plant, and a very good plant it was, suitable for everyday drinking, which is probably why kava became an everyday beverage in kava. The darker kavas were reserved for the clergy and nobility, though. Kava caste system... don't ask.
 
Prince Philip

Prince Philip

Duke of Edinborogu
I would like to see "Tudei" defined, and defined in such a way that calling it "tuday" or "two day" doesn't skirt the regulation. For example, Islandkava.com has Vanuatu Tudei. I'm uncertain of the country of origin. Maybe it's "WOW" kava sold in little packets. I mean, if the stuff WAS spray-dried kava, you'd think they'd brag about how it's just real kava juice and rain water, right? Kava By Rex's Tudei is at least labeled as Isa. The thing is, Isa is part of a different chemotype grouping (group F, per page 220 of Kava, the Pacific Elixir) than what Vanuatu export law defines as Tudei members of chemotype grouping E (op cit, prior page). Comparing Isa's kavalactone profile of 254631 with Palisi's 265431 shows two different plants, both high in DHK, but one distinctly lacking in kavain.



OK, I'm going to step off my double-bonded soap box for now.



The whole Tudei marketing just irks me.
 
Ed!

Ed!

Kava Enthusiast
Prince Philip said:
(Forum users, in general, tend to be INTJ, which is very rare in the general population but fairly comm in the Broader Autistic Phenotype).
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o_O

... great, now I have to go find out if I'm freaking autistic. I'm INTJ and I'm on a forum.
 
Prince Philip

Prince Philip

Duke of Edinborogu
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Here's something cool.  At about 6:45, the very handsome Moana Carcasses discusses how Vanuatu regulated kava bars.  Long story short, alcohol is cost prohibitive, kava is an inexpensive social lubricant that even the unemployed can afford.
 
K

kl.new2kava

Kava Enthusiast
I got a 33 to. I think it's more the fact that I am a misinthrope and tend to be antisocial that contributed alot. Mabye that is diagnostic material to....
 
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