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kl.JerZ Gurl

Kava Curious
Hello Everyone,
I am new here and I am so glad that I found this comunity. I have been searching the web for information on Kava. Currently, I drink Yogi Kava tea and with Gaia Kava Root capsules, however, I wanted to get the full Kava experience and wanted to order the right Kava from a trusted and reliable vendor. I have been trolling this site for the past few days and I have to say that the information and experiences posted by the members here is so priceless. Last night, I ordered the Fire Island Instant Kava from (recommended for newbies) from Nakamal At Home. I plan to purchase Kava root powder and shells in the future, but for now, I'll go with the instant. Thank you, Everyone. This site is awsome!
 

kl.ComfortablyNumb

Kava Curious
I've used kava to ween myself completely off alcohol & the craving for my cancer pain meds. I'm going on 6 years as a cancer survivor. I'm cancer free today. But I took oxycontin & percodan for about 2 months for severe kidney/back pain & became dependent on oxy with in couple weeks! I'm not going to lie, that "stuff" was something else gooood!! :) I tell you that. I can see how people become horribly addicted to it. I was fortunate because it took every bit of my will power not to. Before that, i'd never taken anything much stronger than asprin. Well, turns out that it's not uncommon for cancer patients to become addicted to their meds. It wouldn't be an understatement to say that Kava has been a literal GodSend, I kid you not. :) By the way, my favorite kavas are Wild PNG & Niugini, Vanuatu, Solomon, Hawai'ian Isa/Tudei, Hiwa, & Mahakea426. I prefer the WILD spicey & piney variety of course! :) I'd also like to try the Black Mo'i & Papa ele'ele sometime.
 

INFO:

Kava Chemotype Legend: 1) demethoxy-yangonin (DMY); 2) dihydrokavain (DHK); 3) yangonin (Y); 4) kavain (K); 5) dihydromethysticin (DHM); & 6) methysticin (M). First three kavalactones in chemotype code for the chemotype represent 70+% of total kavalactone content.
 
Kavalactone specific attributes, Lebot thought that the DHK & DHM, in unusual, less-popular strains -- seem to be the chemicals that make for “two-day” (tudei) effects – & for nausea. Kavain (hi-% desirable) is most quickly absorbed & its relaxant/anti-depressant effect goes most quickly to mind/body; numbing. Others: Methysticin is noted as “Slow; Sleepiness, muscle relaxant”. DMY & Y seem to be somewhat of a mystery. Also, sum is greater than the parts of the whole.

Solomon’s Island variety was a Creeper variety; quite (most) possibly whicamanii variant, because it was in the growing range of that wild variety, with chemotype possibly closer to NAH’s Chief’s Jungle (as an aside, Lebot says “Vanuata High Chief Mix’s” [similar] chemotype is 426135). Good educated hypothesis to keep in mind. Chief’s Jungle prob. has more DHK/DHM (“2” or “5” in chemotype) because there is that tudei/ nausea effect. Solomon’s has something that either minimizes that or has a different predominant kavalactone combo.
 
~The Awa (Hawaiian for Kava: or "Kava" being Vanuatan for Awa) history and cultivars fascinates me. categorizes different kinds of Hawaiian Awa. Also list 18 varieties with various chemotypes.

The for the Various Kavalactones:
~~~~~~~1 Demethoxy-yangonin (DMY)
~~~~~~~2 Dihydrokavain (DHK)
~~~~~~~3 Yangonin
~~~~~~~4 Kavain
~~~~~~~5 Dihydromethysticin (DHM)
~~~~~~~6 Methysticin
~~So, the chemotype code is as such -- going back to the maui kava page -- a "463251" plant, would have the highest #4 (Kavain; considered the most euphoriant kavalactone) and the lowest #1 (Demethoxyyangonin (DMY)).

Here are some others:
~~~~~~~463251: Papa Kea, Honokane'iki, Mo'i, Papa ele'ele, Papa ele'ele Pu'upu'u, Rahmedal, Rahmwager, Samoan
~~~~~~~462351: Hiwa, *Kuma Kua (Mine, fresh Puna Green), Mapulehu, Nene
~~~~~~~246531: Isa
~~~~~~~461235: Mahakea
~~~~~~~423651: Hanakapi'ai
~~~~~~~463215: Panaewa, Opihikao
The lore of these types and traditional usages is as useful information as the chemotype and of course, personal experience is probably the most important.
 
 
Technical Data on the Origin of Kava:
    It is to the agronomist Lebot and his various collaborators that we owe the elucidation of the origin of domesticated kava. Lebot's work in the early 1980s in Vanuatu produced strong circumstantial evidence for supposing that domestication of kava occurred in Vanuatu and subsequent publications, in particular Lebot, Merlin and Lindstrom (1992), bring the work to a conclusion. In the latter publication the evidence is more direct and powerful than that presented by Brunton (1989), who argues that kava might have been domesticated elsewhere in Melanesia and seems to favour Papua new Guinea in this respect.
    From the beginning, Lebot showed that there was a much greater range in Vanuatu than anywhere else of kava varieties and that these varieties were usually more potent chemically than those from elsewhere (e.g., total kavalactone analyses of Vanuatu kavas were two to five times that of common Fijian varieties). The chemical analyses were also quite diverse. Equally significantly, the name for kava in local languages was as diverse as nigui (Hiw, Torres Is), maloku (Marino, Maewo), mele (Sa, South Pentecost), bir (Tur, Santo), hae (Malo), nimvulum (South West Bay, Malekula), nikawa (Kwamera, Tanna), kava (Aneityum) to select some (Lebot and Cabalion 1986:83-93). This suggests an origin more ancient than in Fiji or Polynesia. Only the last two of these names are cognate with the Polynesian kava. These occur in the south and it is quite likely that they were introduced there from Polynesia (Crowley 1994:95; Lebot, Merlin and Lindstrom 1992:52).
    Lebot, Merlin and Lindstrom present the results of extensive analysis of many kavas using three means: morphotypes, chemotypes and zymotypes. Morphotypes are essentially varieties, distinguished by physical characteristics. Chemotypes are groupings made on the basis of the chemical analysis of the kavalactones, the active substances in kava. Zymotypes are distinctions made on fundamental genetic characteristics; this kind of analysis can be loosely termed genetic finger-printing. 
    Although it can be said that these studies were not exhaustive of every kava extant, they range so widely and so much further than any other that their results are compelling. They reach a conclusion almost impossible to deny.
    Some two-thirds of the morphotypes studied are found in Vanuatu and nowhere else. Of the eight chemotypes, six are present in Vanuatu and in no other place are there more than three: in Samoa alone were three recorded; in the rest of Polynesia one or two, and in Fiji one. The distribution of zymotypes is still more persuasive. There are ten of them, of which seven are Piper wichmanii ("wild" kava) and three are Piper methysticum ("cultivated" kava). Five of the "wild" kavas were found only in Papua New Guinea. All but one of these are genetically remote from domesticated kava. The two "wild" kavas not found in Papua new Guinea are found in Vanuatu (and one is found in the Solomon Islands) and these are genetically the closest to "cultivated" kava. No "wild" kavas were found in Polynesia or Micronesia.
    The distribution of the three "cultivated" zymotypes also points to domestication's having occurred in Vanuatu. One occurs only in northern Papua New Guinea and is of minor significance. The other two occur in Vanuatu. One of these appears also in southern Papua New Guinea. The other is the sole genetic type occurring in Fiji, Polynesia and Micronesia.
    It is difficult to find any grounds for doubting the conclusion of Lebot, Merlin and Lindstrom that kava was domesticated in Vanuatu. The kava to be found in Fiji and Polynesia is the result of a thin trickle of varieties out of Vanuatu. This reflects the testimony of Firth's record. Just where Vanuatu domestication occurred is still conjectural but the evidence points to northern Vanuatu, possibly Maewo island.
 

kl.ComfortablyNumb

Kava Curious
Good choice, Gurl. Naky's Fire Island is the best instant. And If I'm not mistaken, I think it's a very potent Vanuatu Kava. I tried a while back. You'll definately love it & will get you krunk!  :)
 

kl.JerZ Gurl

Kava Curious
Hi ComfortablyNumb,

Thank you for all the information on Kava. There is so much that I want to learn about it.  I am sorry to hear about your cancer, but I am so happy to hear that you are cancer free.  I, too, am an alcholic. 20+ years of sobriety under my belt.  I should have my order from N@H in a few days and I will post my experience. I am still wondering about the taste, though. Some people say it tasts like mud. I can handle that so long as there is no gag reflex. Heck, I sometimes take a teaspoon of K@ (straight) when I have a really bad day and that tasts like toxic dirt.
 

kl.rcoz

Kava Enthusiast
jerZ, let us know how it compares to K@. If it does induce a gag reflex, try adding ice to the shell for a minute or so (colder the better), remove the ice and stir and gulp it down as fast as possible. Space out the shells 10-15mins.
 

kl.JerZ Gurl

Kava Curious
Thanks, rcoz. I will post my comments soon. R@H ships from the state that I live in (Florida) so I should have my order in the next few days. I will keep the ice handy. :)
 

Prince Philip

Duke of Edinborogu
I have a horrible reaction to SSRI's. I think most people do, but maybe mine really is worse. They give me headaches as they wear off, and not normal headaches. If you look up "brain zaps," I think that's the best way to describe them. I've also been prescribed barbituates to stop me from having excessive flight-or-fight-or-kill reactions.



What actually WORKS for me is opiates. Vicodin makes me a better person. It's not an uncommon reaction, either, from what I've researched. However, no doctor is going to prescribe an opioid for stress and depression. It's a flaw in the system.



I searched for a while for "herbal Vicodin," but this was before K@ hit the English-speaking world. When I discovered that kava was exactly what I was looking for, I tried to find out how to contact the person who's experience mirrored mine who, but who was told to go on SSRI's on answers.com... and found nothing but K@ ads.



Although I've been tempted, I've never tried K@. I guess it's too much D.A.R.E. (Drugs Are Really Expensive) propaganda.



For actual pain, I have medicated with kava post-op once. I found that taking a shell every hour on the hour kept the pain at bay pretty well. I still needed a prescription pain killer to stay asleep, though, and did go through the entire bottle and then some due to the intensity of the pain.



Kava is a chemopreventative for colon cancer.
 

kl.rcoz

Kava Enthusiast
getting off topic, but I do recall N@H having K@ for sale, that only lasted a few weeks, i wonder why.
 

Kojo Douglas

The Kavasseur
There was some controversy, at some point, about Kava vendors putting K@ into their Kava at Kava bars. Supposedly it was a nice combination. I talked to the owners of a Kava bar in San Diego who were concerned that this was the kind of practice that was getting Kava "blacklisted."
 

kl.JerZ Gurl

Kava Curious
Hi Everyone,
I created a new post on N@H to share my experience with their Fire Island Instant Kava. I wanted to address the Kraton vs Kava issue here. The Fire Island Kava was very mild. I mixed it with coconut water and was quite surprised as to how easy it went down.  This stuff is so mild. I fixed two servings, 20 minutes apart.  I thought that it may be on par with the strong bitter taste of K@, but I was so wrong.  First of all, although K@ is a powder, it is extermely coarse. It does not mix with anything, except maybe applesauce.  It does not mix with any liquid. I usually take a teaspoon (a 1/2 at a time), down the back of my throat followed by water. YUCK. Even still, it can go down the wrong way and send you into a violent coughing spell. The effects of the Kava was instant whereas, K@ takes 40 minutes to an hour to feel.  I've never taken enough K@ to get a "high" feeling, but more of a mild relaxation.  With the Fire Island Kava, I feel totally relaxed and mellow, a mind and body relaxation. Overall, I prefer the Kava. Hands down.
 

Prince Philip

Duke of Edinborogu
Vesuvio. They were selling it as an incense, and I think people were eating it or something because they were reading on the Internet that it could make them high.
 
Thanks, comfortably numb. I like N@H's free shipping deals. I love their Stone but cannot tolerate Chief's Jungle at ALL. I just feel so weird like I'm wired but exhausted and it just never ends. The KL profile must be very different.

I want to try other N@H varieties but I'm afraid to after my bad experience with Chief's Jungle. I may end up just sticking with the stone, though it's out of stock as of this writing. *BULA!*
 
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