Towards a Noble Only Marketplace
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Yaqona Dina
That was nice to read and I appreciate the courage it took to write.
For my part, I apologize to you for the times I made the debate personal.
You're possibly the worlds foremost kava drinker in terms of breadth of experience and I love most of your content, but have been reluctant to share them on social media and on another kava forum I frequent because of some of the pro-tudei content. This new stance is very welcome.
Bula @Kavasseur!
For my part, I apologize to you for the times I made the debate personal.
You're possibly the worlds foremost kava drinker in terms of breadth of experience and I love most of your content, but have been reluctant to share them on social media and on another kava forum I frequent because of some of the pro-tudei content. This new stance is very welcome.
Bula @Kavasseur!
Yes, I'm up for going halves on a kava bar somewhere in the UK as soon as we can get this ridiculous law changed!
That would be a great idea!
Palmetto
Thank God!
I like Kavasseur's humility and thoughtfulness in such a posting, but I hope that tudeis don't disappear from cultivation, because they are possibly more medicinal than most other kavas for cancer. At the moment, I am trying to convince an oncologist at my institute to get a clinical trial going. One said last week that he will suggest a person he knows to try it. We'll see where it goes.
A person I know took a mix of tudei and noble kava on my recommendation, and found rapid diminishment of their tumor volumes within the first month. They ate it instead of traditional prep, because they misunderstood/didn't follow my instructions at first. The next 3 months, they used traditional prep, and also showed a decrease in tumor volume, but not as dramatic. Overall, their tumor volume is about 1% of what it was before drinking kava (a few months ago). Chemo was failing, and the tumor was growing rapidly prior to that. So, I hope that there is some availability of tudeis in the future, especially if a clinical trial can definitively show efficacy, because it could have great potential to expand the public perception of kava as a useful herb.
I have only tasted tudei kava twice, in small/moderate quantities. I don't personally feel a need for it, as long as I stay healthy. I understand the fear of what it can do to public opinion, but there should be a way for it to be properly acquired by folks not looking to get stupid, nauseous, and regrettable.
A person I know took a mix of tudei and noble kava on my recommendation, and found rapid diminishment of their tumor volumes within the first month. They ate it instead of traditional prep, because they misunderstood/didn't follow my instructions at first. The next 3 months, they used traditional prep, and also showed a decrease in tumor volume, but not as dramatic. Overall, their tumor volume is about 1% of what it was before drinking kava (a few months ago). Chemo was failing, and the tumor was growing rapidly prior to that. So, I hope that there is some availability of tudeis in the future, especially if a clinical trial can definitively show efficacy, because it could have great potential to expand the public perception of kava as a useful herb.
I have only tasted tudei kava twice, in small/moderate quantities. I don't personally feel a need for it, as long as I stay healthy. I understand the fear of what it can do to public opinion, but there should be a way for it to be properly acquired by folks not looking to get stupid, nauseous, and regrettable.
Great editorial, well written and well thought out. Thank you for your honesty, now maybe if you ever come to Hawaii we can share some fresh Hawaiian kava root. Aloha nui loa.
Chris
Chris
That's really interesting but you mention a mix of tudei and noble. Is there any evidence that the tudei is making a difference over a noble only route?
Palmetto
Thank God!
@Edward I was aiming for higher flavokawain and DHM levels with the tudeis, since flavokawains and DHM are the primary known anticancer ingredients in kava, although Fijian kavas appear that they might have unknown constituents at work as well.
If you want to get more information on the anticancer benefits of kava, areading through abstracts on PubMed might be the best way. I used the following search term to effectively select the best articles/abstracts to read (select the whole term):
(((((((((((dihydromethysticin) OR dihydrokavain) OR flavokawain) OR flavokawain) OR kavain) OR methysticin) OR yangonin)) OR (((extract) OR isolated) OR traditional preparation))) AND ((((((cancer) OR tumor) OR antitumor) OR anticancer) OR tumoricidal) OR chemotherapeutic)) AND (((kava) OR piper methysticum) OR awa)
This article has a very good introduction section for the topic of kava as an anticancer agent:
Chemopreventive effect of kava on 4-(methylnitrosamino)-1-(3-pyridyl)-1-butanone plus benzo[a]pyrene-induced lung tumorigenesis in A/J mice
http://cancerpreventionresearch.aacrjournals.org/content/1/6/430.full-text.pdf
If you want to get more information on the anticancer benefits of kava, areading through abstracts on PubMed might be the best way. I used the following search term to effectively select the best articles/abstracts to read (select the whole term):
(((((((((((dihydromethysticin) OR dihydrokavain) OR flavokawain) OR flavokawain) OR kavain) OR methysticin) OR yangonin)) OR (((extract) OR isolated) OR traditional preparation))) AND ((((((cancer) OR tumor) OR antitumor) OR anticancer) OR tumoricidal) OR chemotherapeutic)) AND (((kava) OR piper methysticum) OR awa)
This article has a very good introduction section for the topic of kava as an anticancer agent:
Chemopreventive effect of kava on 4-(methylnitrosamino)-1-(3-pyridyl)-1-butanone plus benzo[a]pyrene-induced lung tumorigenesis in A/J mice
http://cancerpreventionresearch.aacrjournals.org/content/1/6/430.full-text.pdf
Kojo Douglas
The Kavasseur
My understanding is that all kavas have flavokavain B, only that Tudeis have a slightly higher level (~50-100% higher). Flavokavain B has been shown to cause liver irritation, and is in both Noble and Tudei varieties. It hasn't been linked, however, with any serious health issues.
This stuff is way outside my league, so I'll let someone else respond to the cancer-fighting properties.
This stuff is way outside my league, so I'll let someone else respond to the cancer-fighting properties.
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I like your policy statement @Kavasseur. We know Tudei ain't gonna kill ya but it is not helpful to Vanuatu from an agro-economic point of view. Plus Kava still needs to improve its self image and throwing Tudei under the truck shows that we are serious about Kava Safety. Though not all Tudei is strong, experienced kava drinkers can get strong Tudei for whatever purpose and we certainly aren't concerned about health issues arising from occasional Tudie consumption by experienced Kava consumers. And we can say that with a wink and a nod and keep it out of the public eye.
I will also add that I had some Koniak (Tudeiish Kava) back when and I did not like the next day side effects. I was weaving all over the driveway looking for the newspaper at 6am the next day. I ended up sending it to another member who probably never gets bad side effects or doesn't care one.
I will also add that I had some Koniak (Tudeiish Kava) back when and I did not like the next day side effects. I was weaving all over the driveway looking for the newspaper at 6am the next day. I ended up sending it to another member who probably never gets bad side effects or doesn't care one.