Vanuatu National Quality Standard for Kava Export

[ApéroNoble]

Finally!

 

[ApéroNoble]

Does this mean we are allowed to talk about the test results again on this forum?

 

[Gourmet Hawaiian Kava]

Does this mean we are allowed to talk about the test results again on this forum?

I did not know it was against the law to talk about the test results. Either way I am only speaking the truth. You should read the court papers, very interesting. And I have always had faith in Dr. Lebot and his expertise on kava.
Aloha.

Chris

 

[The Kap'n]

As long as it's civil, and no politics. This is the in-depth discussion forum, so discuss away.

Could we possibly have a little breakdown of what went into the quality standards, and what this means for kava and exports overall?

I have a feeling this is big news, but I'm guarded because I don't quite grasp the gravity of it yet.

 

[Deleted User01]

Lookit, the Acetone test is all we have to prove to the world that our kava is safe. So Tudei ends up thrown under the bus. No big loss there. It is less safe than noble kava though it is not worse than other recreational drugs. Vanuatu has a multi-million dollar industry at stake, unlike us where a few feathers get ruffled when we argue about it. So I see Vanuatu drawing the line so they can prove to the world that they are monitoring their product and it is safe.

 

[Deleted User01]

@Deleted User, as you get the data, can you dumb it down for us and give us the high points? I looked at that PDF and it's full of Scientific Jargon and tiny print. Ohh, and is that the first post on the Kava Science Forum? So you'all scientists keep us posted. We'll be here in the Kava Forums knocking back Shells while you figure it out. Good post @Deleted User.

 

[The Kap'n]

You remember the problem with the 11 year old waka and how it gave some weird results, it was orange with this test and yet it was said that the kava was noble and the test was wrong. Well I think I know what happened. Wakaya perfection is being sued for a lot of things, misleading statements and saying there things are from Fiji and they actually were not. They were talking about some essential oils that were made in Ohio I think and Wakaya said it was made in Fiji, could they have been doing this with the kava too? Could the kava actually be a mix of Fiji and Vanuatu or just plain Vanuatu. They also mentioned how the billion air was part of there company well that was wrong too because he is not and never has been. Now that we know that the acetone test is a standard and we know that Wakaya is using questionable practices and actually false claims, I am going to say that the acetone test was correct and there is a greater possibility that the 11 year old waka is were the problem was, not the test as a few people have claimed.
A claim that a well seasoned scientist has a standard and it and he is wrong is hard to accept but a company like Wakaya is being sued for all the lies they told I would take the side of the scientist any time. Now the mystery is solved.
Aloha.

Chris

Do we have any information about this in regards to actual products? It looks like it was in reference to the Wakaya / Youngevity relationship. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Deleted User01]

I'm pretty sure the authorities would not look into anything related to Kava unless they were the Vanuatuan authorities. But once a company gets accused of deceptive practices, then everything is looked upon as "possibly" dishonest. The old saying, 'Where's there's smoke there is fire'. But it's Kava so we are the only guys that actually give a rat's tail. So Chris is developing a theory about the 11 year old Waka from a mysterious island owned by a billionaire but I doubt it can be proved one way or another. So we just have to take everything with a grain of salt and keep on shelling on.

 

[Deleted User01]

Even though it looks bad for that company, whatever we think about their Kava is pure speculation. Innocent until proven guilty as they say. But the optics are very bad. The orange color on the Acetone test was also bad optics .... But the Acetone test can't tell you everything.

 

[The Kap'n]

Agreed, Deleted User01. We can't say with 100% accuracy. (In regards to the company's ethics) (For the record )

 

[Deleted User01]

The more I learn about Wakaya, I wonder what the heck they are doing in the Kava business anyway? How much 11 year old Kava can there be anway. Ans, not much. So that business is "small potatoes" for the "Herbalife of the Islands", Wakaya. It just doesn't make sense to me. I think if I were a billionaire with 11 year old waka on my Island, then I would harvest it for myself and my friends.

 

[The Kap'n]

@Deleted User Perfect, thank you for the clarification.

 

[ApéroNoble]

I think Chris's point is this: For many years we have listened to Wakaya and their vendors telling us that a certain kava was both noble and from a private island in Fiji, and that Lebot's test was inaccurate because they had the "exception to the rule". Now the situation is somewhat different:

1. It's no longer "Lebot's" acetone test, it's now officially validated by the Vanuatu Ministry of Trade and PHAMA.
2. Wakaya is being sued for making false statements about the origin and nature of their products.
3. 11 Year Waka is not noble. (see #1)

@Deleted User Perfect, thank you for the clarification.

It would be nice to be able to come to this site and see a list of all the kava "affiliated" with this forum and see exactly which kava has tested 100% noble. Honestly that would be a service to those who want good kava. If the acetone test is now beyond a doubt THE standard for testing I don't really see how anyone would have a problem with that.

 

[The Kap'n]

With the new information being released, we'll be making some changes. I'm not arguing with science.

 

[Deleted User01]

It would be nice to be able to come to this site and see a list of all the kava "affiliated" with this forum and see exactly which kava has tested 100% noble. Honestly that would be a service to those who want good kava. If the acetone test is now beyond a doubt THE standard for testing I don't really see how anyone would have a problem with that.

I think True Kava is gearing up to do that. There are a lot of good vendors here at the Forums who can't wait to submit their kava for testing. They know that Nobility sells and they are on the Noble bandwagon. The future for kava is so bright, I have to wear

 

[sɥɐʞɐs]

1. It's no longer "Lebot's" acetone test, it's now officially validated by the Vanuatu Ministry of Trade and PHAMA.
2. Wakaya is being sued for making false statements about the origin and nature of their products.
3. 11 Year Waka is not noble. (see #1)

Deleted User, is it only because the acetone test has been officially validated that you say it's not noble ?
Because you previously said this:

Here's my results on some BKH kavas, below each product are cultivars from Dr. Lebot's publications that most closely match:

The first one is a bit of a shock, but I'm all about accurate testing, so there it is: 11 Year Waka is definitely noble by chemotype. I can't say at this point why it gives orange coloration in the A-test, but progress is being made and we will eventually have the answer. A slight adulteration with a powerful two day might cause this without significantly affecting chemotype, but we simply don't have enough data right now to confirm this. So I'll happily eat crow, and declare 11 Year Waka a daily use kava, based on chemotype.*

Koniak seems to be straight PNG Isa. Sorry.

Nambawan is a most excellent noble kava, with an extremely high kavain content. My compliments to @Judd Rench for this great product, it is well worth the price.

I'm doing some equipment upgrades right now, but will be posting many more results in the near future!

Garry

* Edited 12/2/2014, see post #27 for clarification.

So, you did reluctantly call it noble at one point. Obviously, it's reasonable reluctance, being that there had* been zero cases of the acetone test giving false positives with the hundreds of kava samples collected and tested in Vanuatu.

All I'm saying is, just because the Acetone test has been officially accepted, doesn't mean that the 11 Yr. Waka is now definitively Tudei. It is still an unknown anomaly, a kava that passes tests that are more complicated and accurate, but fails the simple acetone test. If I recall correctly, it even had low FK %'s...although I can't remember if we ever saw the papers to prove it.

 

[ApéroNoble]

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