John Bytell
Kava Enthusiast
Is the torch from PK still lit or is it out now?
CO2 Extracts Safe or Not? You Decide.
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BKH said he was working with Adil from PK on a new extract, so great news imoIs the torch from PK still lit or is it out now?
John Bytell
Kava Enthusiast
So this was NOT that venture then? Sounded like Chris was abandoning the idea of extracts to me. I really wanted to try those and never got to try PK's extracts! Here's hoping!BKH said he was working with Adil from PK on a new extract, so great news imo
Looks like Chris is not pursuing it, based on this thread, but others are as far I know and have been.
@recentreturn, @HeadHodge, @Kavasseur, @KrunkyMonkey, @John Bytell, @GussWest, and anyone else who's interested in an extract, we still plan on releasing a Co2 extract of noble kava. Ours will be nicely refined. I'm in the process of putting something together with Adil from Paradise Kava to basically recreate his extracts with our noble kava.
I'm all about kava tradition, but am also up for safe and respectful advancement. Pretty much all products move forward and change over time. I don't see why kava can't be the same. I'm all for any vendor making that decision on their own. There's no right or wrong in this particular situation.
*Side note about FKB extraction using Co2: It really isn't an issue as long as the kava being used is low in flavokavains. People ingest 100% of the FKB present in kava when they drink micronized and we don't question its safety.
I'm all about kava tradition, but am also up for safe and respectful advancement. Pretty much all products move forward and change over time. I don't see why kava can't be the same. I'm all for any vendor making that decision on their own. There's no right or wrong in this particular situation.
*Side note about FKB extraction using Co2: It really isn't an issue as long as the kava being used is low in flavokavains. People ingest 100% of the FKB present in kava when they drink micronized and we don't question its safety.
Can't wait
Yes, but do we know how much gets extracted by gastric juices?
Just to be clear: I think noble co2 extracts are generally safe, I am just curious.
Yes, I realize the GI tract is not 100% efficient. Thank you. I can feel kava's effects from a tablespoon of micro, whereas I could not if making an aqueous extract. This is because I'm ingesting the entire root and 100% of the kavalactones present. Same basic deal with FKB.
Zaphod
Kava Lover
True but there is some speculation that the extraction of glutathione in aqueous solutions is helping the liver against FKB. It would be nice if vendors who choose to produce extracts give us a full chemotype after extraction, FKB levels and test for glutathione to give us the best overall picture of what we are getting. Actually this would be nice for microgind and medium grind as well. In fact a standard label would be something I would love to see on all Kava products that listed these items plus maybe the country of origin, total KL percentage.
So I also promised to give more feedback on GHKs extract after my second usage. Right now I have to say this is not my cup of tea. I had no real difference from my first experience. Again very heady, almost no body. Completely different than Mahakea micro/medium grind. Great if you want a quick daytime headiness/happiness. Bad choice if you want to chill out. If GHK was going to continue making the extract I would be willing to donate my sample to someone who could get it tested for the items requested above, but since he is not going forward I don't see the point. I will probably use it mix in a little extra kick in my normal traditional prep.
starsofclay
Kava Enthusiast
That's great to hear, any idea on the release date? I got an extract for the first time a month or so ago and it is exactly what I need right now. On the go for a very stressful job. And unfortunately I completely missed this seller's venture... I respect certain people wanting to stick to traditional method, but I fell out of kava use because I couldn't keep up with it. and buying panty hose at walgreens quickly became embarrassing. haha.
Pat-Attack
Kava Curious
I know it may not help or anything, but I wanted to give my review/experience with GHK's extract as I was able to order some. I really enjoy it, it lifted my mood a lot but didn't make me loopy, it has a great balance that I love and haven't experienced. Can't wait to try BKH's stuff as I was too late in the game to ever experience Paradise's extracts!
KrunkMunster
Kava Enthusiast
I hope you will re-consider Chris. I just received my order from you and I have to say, it is quite good. I don't think it's something I'd prefer all of the time, as I enjoy regular Kava quite a bit. However, it is a very nice and easy way to enjoy the effects of Kava when one can't do traditional prep or you don't have time.
You are an exceptional vendor, so I think we all would agree here that when you make a product, it is good quality. I'm not very experienced with Kava yet, but I do feel you extract is excellent quality.
When you get down to brass tacks, some of your other products aren't traditional preparation products. The instant being a prime example. I would think the extract is not all that different from an instant type product really. I would think that a good extract could sit right along side your instant Kavas as a great option for some.
Anyway, please reconsider. Thank you
iheartkava
Newbie
I just received and tried your extract today - being new to kava in general (have tried a handful of times over the years) - it defInitely had some effect although I'm having some difficulty discerning which effects are from the extract and some residual effects from last night.
Overall though, I feel it was a success, especially in comparison to the other extracts on the market. I understand and respect your decision but can't help but feel a little disappointed just b/c you obviously are dedicated and conscientious about your work and I am inclined to think you would eventually developed a super product through refinement. There definitely is a market for the convenience the extracts provide though.
Overall though, I feel it was a success, especially in comparison to the other extracts on the market. I understand and respect your decision but can't help but feel a little disappointed just b/c you obviously are dedicated and conscientious about your work and I am inclined to think you would eventually developed a super product through refinement. There definitely is a market for the convenience the extracts provide though.
iheartkava
Newbie
BKH - put me on your list! I just received your Namabawan last weeK and it's great.
I hope that you do work with the Paradise guy and replicate his formula. I had the luck of buying a jar a few years ago when I knew nothing about kava - bought through third party vendor. It was incredible!! That memory is in part what brought me to Kava and this community. Different than the extracts I tried in the past few weeks. I remember it having a consistency similar to a jar of lip balm in a cold room. The others I've tried are much softer - don't know it makes a difference.
Anyway, can't wait to try it - please announce it or something as I'd hate to miss it.
I hope that you do work with the Paradise guy and replicate his formula. I had the luck of buying a jar a few years ago when I knew nothing about kava - bought through third party vendor. It was incredible!! That memory is in part what brought me to Kava and this community. Different than the extracts I tried in the past few weeks. I remember it having a consistency similar to a jar of lip balm in a cold room. The others I've tried are much softer - don't know it makes a difference.
Anyway, can't wait to try it - please announce it or something as I'd hate to miss it.
One good deed
Newbie
Sorry, I gotta ask, how hard would it be to distill individual kavalactones from the extract?
kavadude
❦ॐ tanuki tamer
I don't know if it would be hard so much as it would be commercially inviable. They used a subset of kavalactones in the University of Minnesota cancer study with fractional distillation.
single kavalactones are far less pharmacologically effective than when they are administered together with other kavalactones. it seems that the synergy between different kavalactones facilities their activity/higher concentration in the brain. that's just my super quick and potentially inaccurate summary of what I think I might have read in Lebot's publications
One good deed
Newbie
It would be cool to be able to order custom extract with just pure kavalactones, and in the proportions you want...