CO2 Extracts Safe or Not? You Decide.
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John Bytell
Kava Enthusiast
BKH Please do an extract of that 11 year waka!!! I love that stuff but cant choke down micronized anymore 
HeadHodge
Bula To Eternity
+1BKH Please do an extract of that 11 year waka!!! I love that stuff but cant choke down micronized anymore
Kojo Douglas
The Kavasseur
To summarize the evidence: CO2 extracts are safe. Period.
I feel like there's a little bit of "bait and switch" going on here. We were meant to be discussing the safety of these extracts, but it was actually an assertion about how Kava is traditionally prepared and served and that a particular vendor isn't going to be selling these extracts as a result. Not sure how or why the safety of extracts came into it.
I feel like there's a little bit of "bait and switch" going on here. We were meant to be discussing the safety of these extracts, but it was actually an assertion about how Kava is traditionally prepared and served and that a particular vendor isn't going to be selling these extracts as a result. Not sure how or why the safety of extracts came into it.
I do not know what you mean by "bait and switch" I know that is not the case with me. I also know that I never said that CO2 kava extract was "NOT" safe. I did include some information form kava scientists and will let the people decide if they want to try any CO2 extract, the information I provided did not say that the kava extract was safe or not, it just gave us some information to help us make a educated choice.
You said this---"To summarize the evidence: CO2 extracts are safe." But you provided no scientific anything, it is just you saying what you believe. I made my choice for personal reasons and I explained myself very clearly so don't start trying to put words in my mouth or make it seem like I said something when I did not. For those who do not know what I said, take a look at the very first post in this thread I started. Aloha.
Chris
Kojo Douglas
The Kavasseur
Well, I mean that the thread superficially looked like it was about the safety of CO2 extracts, but was actually you explaining why you are not selling extracts because you have "higher standards" than other vendors. "Bait and switch" is when you lure someone in with one topic and then make a pitch.
I am sorry you think that but you have it all wrong. Try reading the post I made again. I never said I have higher standards than other vendors, again your reading things into this that just are not there. I explained that I want to stay on the more traditional side of things, and I explained that CO2 extract has been around for less than 100 years and kava made with the powder or fresh root has been around for thousands of years with safe use. I never said that there were cases of CO2 kava extract being unsafe, I did post information from Kava scientists and what they thought of CO2 kava extract so that people could see more clearly why I made my decision to not sell the CO2 extract. There is no sneaky kind of marketing going on here, I never put down any vendor or said I was better than them and I never said that the CO2 kava extract was bad. So please stop doing what you are doing and stop putting words in my mouth.
Please show me where I said that I was better than other vendors and how I am baiting and switching.
I was very clear with everything I said in my post so please respect me and what I said and let this go. There is nothing to what you are saying, let it go. Thank you.
Chris
Tfin
Kava Enthusiast
I just took Chris's original post to explain why he decided to not make anymore extracts.....not that there was anything wrong with them......or "bait and switch".
My thoughts are that he saw all the demand out here for an extract....made a batch, and then after thinking about it decided to stay with just producing and selling the traditional root powder. Nothing more, nothing less. No worries.
My thoughts are that he saw all the demand out here for an extract....made a batch, and then after thinking about it decided to stay with just producing and selling the traditional root powder. Nothing more, nothing less. No worries.
Thank you so much for your post, I could not have said it better. @Kavasseur and @HeadHodge , see this guys post. This is exactly what I was doing, not what you guys think I am doing.
Aloha
Chris
Kojo Douglas
The Kavasseur
I was just making an observation, Chris. I'm just concerned that people will view this thread and assume that you stopped selling extract because you felt it was unsafe, even though you are cancelling it for other reasons. This could affect other vendors who sell extract.
I made my post and explained everything clearly. I even stated that I was not saying that it was unsafe, how much clearer can I get. If you look at all the people that are standing in line for BKH's extract I would say that my post did not make others think that CO2 kava extract was unsafe, my post was very clear and concise. Nothing more needs to be said, there is no conspiracy or bait and switch, drink some kava and calm down. There is nothing wrong here. As I said my post was clear, there is no assumptions in there, assumptions are bad for the most part because there is no backing to assumptions. Remember how to spell assume or ass u me. This is why I never assume.
Chris
Kojo Douglas
The Kavasseur
What the..?
Okay, carry on then.
Okay, carry on then.
I am sorry @HeadHodge but your wrong. You claim in that post I tell about how I claim I am better than other vendors but I don't say that at all. I simply tell about how I make my micronized kava differently than others.
I can do this because my method uses fresh undried kava root. I am the only one who does it this way.
Aloha.
Chris
verticity
I'm interested in things
Pretty hard. Here is a paper that describes a method. The equipment described sounds pretty expensive.
verticity
I'm interested in things
Agreed, the title of the thread is misleading.
ThePiper
Kava Lover
I think more awesome would be selective breeding to create noble kavas with tudei chemotypes so tudei lovers could have a healthier option. Not sure if this is even possible at this tine.
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ThePiper
Kava Lover
I did think the topic was a bit misleading in retrospect, only because it was more focused on his personal choices as a business than the pure scientific analysis one might expect. Still this is far from a bait and switch. Theres not even a product he is pushing. In fact its about why he isnt selling a certain product. Accusation of a bait and switch is pretty offensive and chris has never been known to engage in any unsaviry business practices. If anything it was an unintentionally misleading title, and we are all human. We all know his intentions are good.
I consumed labeled tudei kava from HKC for at least two years. My logic was that the tudei was "Stronger" and therefore more cost effective. Those were the dark days of kava information. I once called and spoke with Jonathon Yee about it and he even went as far as to tell me that he didn't understand why anyone would buy it, but it was selling quite rapidly. Hell, I even asked Adil to make a tudei extract. I was all about some non-noble kavas before we were enlightened by Andrew Procyk (Noble Kava, Asheville NC). Once the information was public...things started to make sense, and I've since made the switch to noble kavas only some years ago.
It ripped me a new one. Skin bleeding, painful urination, general malaise. Just overall poor state of health before I realized what was happening. The scary part was that this scenario played out over the whole time frame. I didn't wake up one morning with all the negative symptoms. They built up slowly over time.
It ripped me a new one. Skin bleeding, painful urination, general malaise. Just overall poor state of health before I realized what was happening. The scary part was that this scenario played out over the whole time frame. I didn't wake up one morning with all the negative symptoms. They built up slowly over time.