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Straining, Sediment, and Gagging

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Summer

Hi y'all, happy Friday.

I use knee highs to strain. Just one, poured thru between two containers about six times with a good rinse of containers and stocking in between. I still get a lot of sediment at the bottom once I let the grog settle. Thoughts on this? I usually do not drink it, but it doesn't hit me as well either.

For those of you that use knee highs...are you just straining once and letting it drip through or what? I generally stretch out the stocking a little so it will go through too. Maybe I should just let it drip through but it seems that would take forever.
 

sɥɐʞɐs

Avg. Dosage: 8 Tbsp. (58g)
Review Maestro
Knee high's are okay, but not great strainers, the nylon stretches and that makes the holes bigger, which can lead to more sediment in your drink. More sediment does equal more potent though, so it shouldn't* be considered something you want to completely get rid of. Otherwise you are wasting A LOT of kava.

When we use nylons/or any strainer...we aren't pouring kava through it and letting it drip out. We're putting a ball of kava powder inside the nylon sock, submerging it in water and pinching, squeezing and kneading it in the water. When finished, you hold the kava/sock above the water and squeeze/wring the rest of the water out.

This is one of the best strainers: 100 micron
you can cut the annoying metal ring off the top of it
 
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VictoryRider

Kava Enthusiast
I'll use nylons in a pinch but I don't like them nearly as well as a good muslin strainer bag (nut milk bag,
paint strainer bag, or one from a kava vendor). These bags are tough and they don't stretch.
They make kneading much easier.

With nylons my hands get tired very quickly, and I never feel like I can get a proper "grip" on the root ball.

And yeah, the sediment is a little gritty and a little unpleasant, but it's where most of the magic is.
 

chandra

Kava Enthusiast
I use knee highs. they are cheap and work well for me. you do get a lot of sediment, especially as you knead because they stretch. i stir or shake it if it's settled and drink all of it. some people have stomach issues with too much sediment, but it's never been a problem for me. it's really all in what you and your body can tolerate. also if you aren't kneading it you won't get much of anything out of it. work with the kava, and it will work with you ;)
 

blindy107

Kava Lover
I like the Fijian style from BKH. It's fairly fine but not much that it kills the grog. I find them to be pretty pliable and easy to work with compared to muslin. That being said, I have used a stainless mesh sieve. Like for sifting flour. Makes a thick and frothy beverage...
 

nabanga

Kava Enthusiast
There will always be fine sediment after sieving through stockings- nothing wrong with this. If you are doing 6 passes through the stocking with rinses in between, after preparing the kava, that is plenty. I normally only do 3 passes as not much further sediment gets picked up after that. I mix it all up in the bowl before scooping out a shell to drink so that the fine sediment is uniformly distributed through the mix.
I recently tried a very fine cotton seive for filtering after preparing my mix (like a nut milk bag) but for me it took too much of the fines out and made for a weaker mix.
 

FYS

Shell Shocked
Knee high's are okay, but not great strainers, the nylon stretches and that makes the holes bigger, which can lead to more sediment in your drink. More sediment does equal more potent though, so it shouldn't* be considered something you want to completely get rid of. Otherwise you are wasting A LOT of kava.

When we use nylons/or any strainer...we aren't pouring kava through it and letting it drip out. We're putting a ball of kava powder inside the nylon sock, submerging it in water and pinching, squeezing and kneading it in the water. When finished, you hold the kava/sock above the water and squeeze/wring the rest of the water out.

This is one of the best strainers: 100 micron
you can cut the annoying metal ring off the top of it
What makes the 100 micron one of the best strainers or is that just your personal preference? I know a lot of medium grinds vary but I've noticed the makas are all about the same size or at the very least don't get much smaller than a certain size, if I am wrong in thinking that please let me know, and I'm also under the assumption that you pretty much want everything except the makas. So is there a certain micron size that is just small enough to keep all makas out but allow everything else through? Perhaps if that were possible to figure out then sifting to get everything but the makas could be a possibility unless some of the makas do get ground more finely than most of the visible ones or if there is something else we don't want that is in the med. grind besides the makas.

Has anyone ever played around with TDS of prepared kava using a variety of different strainer types, micron sizes, prep methods etc to see what yields the best results? To go a step further detecting the overall and individual amounts of kavalactones in the finished result of each method? Do all kavalactones have the same level of extraction with all methods of preparation. Could some kavalactones be better or more easily extracted under certain conditions than others?

On a related note has any research been done on the impact of water TDS and its make up and their effect on extractions? I know with coffee water composition plays a huge role in extraction of the various compounds; some at lower temps, some at higher temps, some higher/lower with different water compositions, some come out at lower contact time and some at higher. (If anyone is interested in reading up on that check out this link: http://web.archive.org/web/20080526072324/http://www.big-rick.com/coffee/waterfaq.html Its a very good read)
 

sɥɐʞɐs

Avg. Dosage: 8 Tbsp. (58g)
Review Maestro
What makes the 100 micron one of the best strainers or is that just your personal preference? I know a lot of medium grinds vary but I've noticed the makas are all about the same size or at the very least don't get much smaller than a certain size, if I am wrong in thinking that please let me know, and I'm also under the assumption that you pretty much want everything except the makas. So is there a certain micron size that is just small enough to keep all makas out but allow everything else through? Perhaps if that were possible to figure out then sifting to get everything but the makas could be a possibility unless some of the makas do get ground more finely than most of the visible ones or if there is something else we don't want that is in the med. grind besides the makas.

Has anyone ever played around with TDS of prepared kava using a variety of different strainer types, micron sizes, prep methods etc to see what yields the best results? To go a step further detecting the overall and individual amounts of kavalactones in the finished result of each method? Do all kavalactones have the same level of extraction with all methods of preparation. Could some kavalactones be better or more easily extracted under certain conditions than others?

On a related note has any research been done on the impact of water TDS and its make up and their effect on extractions? I know with coffee water composition plays a huge role in extraction of the various compounds; some at lower temps, some at higher temps, some higher/lower with different water compositions, some come out at lower contact time and some at higher. (If anyone is interested in reading up on that check out this link: http://web.archive.org/web/20080526072324/http://www.big-rick.com/coffee/waterfaq.html Its a very good read)
This stuff has been experimented with here, there's anecdotal conclusions for some stuff but there are also actual studies for other things you mentioned.

As for the strainer, the durable 100 Micron strainer is my personal preference after more than a decade of preparing kava and using many types of strainers along the way. I would bet that it would be equally as favorable to anyone that uses it, although it wouldn't make much of a difference to people who are already using something similar. While a lot of the grinds you've come across may look similar, there are occasionally some that are much finer and other that are super chunky. In such cases, it's better to have a variety of strainer sizes for optimum control over your beverage...but it's not necessary and a 100 micron or similar will always work.

I've spent a lot of time using paint strainers that were probably 200 Microns, they would let bigger stuff in and sometimes have some maka fibers floating in my drink. It could be a bit stronger, but also lead to quicker and harsher dermopathy...and of course more stomach issues, which detracts from the experience.
On the other end of the spectrum, I've also used an 80 micron strainer, which makes a nice clean beverage, but always diminished the potency of the kava when I used it. When I got the 100 micron, I found the perfect balance of sediment/potency.

The strainer isn't going to make a difference in which kavalactones are extracted. There are studies that show how well each kavalactone is extracted into water, some extract better than others. Obviously, solvents like ethanol and and acetone have better extractions. There is also a study that shows how variations in the preparation affect the overall kavalactone percentage in the resulting beverage.
The strongest is fresh, undried kava, prepped in hot water, using a blender or by hand. With dry powder, hot water also results in a slightly stronger beverage than cold water, but not as strong as using fresh kava.

There was also a fad for a while where adding lecithin, oil or fats of some kind was supposed to make a stronger drink.
It was never significant enough for any one to definitively say if it works or not. I flip flop on it, sometimes I add some oil when I'm kneading the kava and feel like I get a slightly stronger experience...but not always.
 

Edward

Aluballin' in the UK
Kava Vendor
I use a cactus kava strainer, through a knee high first to get rid of the bulk and then through the other strainer to get rid of some of the finer particles. If I don't do this I find I am ok with some kavas but some others can make me feel really ill. I'd rather use more dry root and strain it better to get the full effects than use less root and not strain so well. There is still a fair amount of sediment at the bottom but no big pieces and well distributed in all of the shells I don't notice it so much. I believe the CK strainers are about 85 microns?
 

FYS

Shell Shocked
This stuff has been experimented with here, there's anecdotal conclusions for some stuff but there are also actual studies for other things you mentioned.

As for the strainer, the durable 100 Micron strainer is my personal preference after more than a decade of preparing kava and using many types of strainers along the way. I would bet that it would be equally as favorable to anyone that uses it, although it wouldn't make much of a difference to people who are already using something similar. While a lot of the grinds you've come across may look similar, there are occasionally some that are much finer and other that are super chunky. In such cases, it's better to have a variety of strainer sizes for optimum control over your beverage...but it's not necessary and a 100 micron or similar will always work.

I've spent a lot of time using paint strainers that were probably 200 Microns, they would let bigger stuff in and sometimes have some maka fibers floating in my drink. It could be a bit stronger, but also lead to quicker and harsher dermopathy...and of course more stomach issues, which detracts from the experience.
On the other end of the spectrum, I've also used an 80 micron strainer, which makes a nice clean beverage, but always diminished the potency of the kava when I used it. When I got the 100 micron, I found the perfect balance of sediment/potency.

The strainer isn't going to make a difference in which kavalactones are extracted. There are studies that show how well each kavalactone is extracted into water, some extract better than others. Obviously, solvents like ethanol and and acetone have better extractions. There is also a study that shows how variations in the preparation affect the overall kavalactone percentage in the resulting beverage.
The strongest is fresh, undried kava, prepped in hot water, using a blender or by hand. With dry powder, hot water also results in a slightly stronger beverage than cold water, but not as strong as using fresh kava.

There was also a fad for a while where adding lecithin, oil or fats of some kind was supposed to make a stronger drink.
It was never significant enough for any one to definitively say if it works or not. I flip flop on it, sometimes I add some oil when I'm kneading the kava and feel like I get a slightly stronger experience...but not always.
If you have them handy I would appreciate links to any studies you have on this or kava in general particularly the one that shows how variations in the preparation affect the overall kavalactone percentage and the ones that show how well each kavalactone is extracted with water or anything of that nature.

I realize that the strainer doesn't make a difference in which kavalactones are extracted. I was more curious about a comparison of the TDS of prepared kava using different strainer types, sizes, and, mostly, prep methods or better yet looking at the amount of total and individual kavalactones present in the finished product using various methods of preparation. As well as if all kavalactones have the same level of extraction with all methods of preparation not strainer size, if some kavalactones are more easily extracted under certain conditions than others, and how the overall and individual amounts of kavalactones in the finished product compares to the initial, pre-prep kava in general and with various methods of preparation.

I was also wondering about the impact of the water's TDS and overall composition on extraction and the finished product(both overall and individual kavalactones) if it has any at all, as I know water can vary greatly from place to place. Is any certain water composition better than others for overall extraction or even individual kavalactiones? Surely it would make some difference.
 

kavadude

❦ॐ tanuki tamer
The only study I'm aware of that examines differences in preparation is the U Hawaii one by Bittenbender on water temperature. I don't know of any that have investigated other preparation variables (e.g. strainer coarseness).
 
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