OK, I finally have a chance to respond. I wrote half a post earlier today but life got in the way.
Before I go further, I want to say that I'm disappointed in the mods for censoring my post. There were two parts to my post:
First I mentioned my own personal pet-peeve (vendors disrespecting the growers of their kava). It seems the mods are fine with this.
Then I came to the reason I created this thread, I posted two screenshots.
The first screenshot was of
the vendors own words. It's the vendor who says that kava processed in China can't be trusted. I merely highlighted part of the text in red, but it is verbatim from his website. Aside from bashing Chinese manufactured kava, he also obscures the fact that his own product is manufactured in china.
The second screenshot was of the product COA. The mods have seen fit to remove this for reasons I can't comprehend. The vendor has clarified in follow-up posts that the product is indeed manufactured in China and everything I said in the second part of my post was true. He said that the COA was incorrect, but the parts that were incorrect are irrelevant to my post. The product is still made in China.
If the mods feel that the "FFFUUUU" rage meme was uncalled for, I could upload another graphic without that meme. The reason I used that was because that was my reaction when I saw the COA. A vendor bashes Chinese manufactured product, and then hidden away in the fine print is the fact that he manufactures his product in China. That's so WTF and FFFUUUU worthy, it's hilarious.
Hi Tyler,
Thanks for responding to my post. My responses follow:
This is no different than "Americas Tire Company" selling car tires that are produced in Japan.
No, this would be like "Americas Tire Company" selling "Japanese Tires" that were actually made in Malaysia.
I'm sure you can find any number of thousands of similar examples of names of companies vs. raw material / manufacturing origins, if you weren't simply looking to smear our company.
Yes I can. eg: "
Fraud occurs when companies attempt to pass off foreign olive oil as 100 percent Italian."
But that's really beside the point. You aren't breaking any laws and many on here seem to agree with you that this is just absolutely fine. That's cool. It's just my opinion that you should give credit where it is due. I mean, you owe so much to kava. It'd be nice if you gave back in a tiny way by helping raise awareness of Melanesia in the American consciousness. Help teach Americans that there's more to the Pacific Islands than Fiji Water and Polynesian hula girls in grass skirts.
I am unaware of any other company on this forum, or anywhere else for that matter, who is willing to be as up front as we are and publicly post current full Certificates of Analysis on our products
Everyone else seems fine with it (and there are smarter and more sciencey folk than I on here that accept it), but I have to ask... how does this qualify as a COA? It's your info on your letterhead filled out by your employee. I mean, I could make one in half an hour... edit one in 3mins if I had a template to fill out. The Chinese manufacturer that
@verticity found that sells the same product you sell also publishes a
COA that they wrote themselves. Personally I would only accept a COA from a third party lab.
As I understand it, someone has taken just about everything that they possibly could about this product out of context and issued a product alert for the purpose of smearing our company
Out of context? I presented a screenshot
of your page. I provided no commentary of it other than to depict my honest reaction in a humorous way with a meme. But the content was a screenshot, and then your COA. I posted it here exactly in the context it was presented on your website.
for the purpose of smearing our company based upon the geographical location of our contract lab for this batch of material
You did that yourself. Read it again. Here's a screenshot of *your words*.
Is there a quality control issue with this product? Did it test any different than what we've stated? If not, I'm not sure that a knee-jerk reaction product alert is warranted.
This is as yet undetermined, but as you claimed, 99% of Kava Extracts produced in China are Tudei chemotypes. As this is an extract, there is no way for us to know whether the source material was tudei. There is also no way for
you to know, unless you flew to China multiple times to test all the kava that came out of those containers.
In any case, the mods have your back, and the product alert has been removed.
I guess the takeaway from this is supposed to be... what?... that Chinese manufactured kava is to be considered bad unless it's manufactured in a GMP facility and publishes a COA? No, that can't be, the Chinese manufacturer I linked to earlier meets that criteria.... as do just about all the other Alibaba vendors.
I'm reaching to find what else differentiates your extract from the ones on Alibaba. One might suggest that it's about trust in your reputation as a major American kava vendor, but if I recall correctly (correct me if I'm wrong), you were one of the staunchest opponents of the noble kava "movement".
