Non Addictive Drugs

[HeadHodge]

Our fearless leader is calling for a push on promoting the country to use non addictive drugs for pain relief to reduce the opioid crisis.

Its sort of a rhetorical question... but any thoughts??

 

[Jerome]

No. Not a one. At least not reasonable ones.... Oh were you asking if I had any thoights? I thought you meant potus

 

[Krunkie McKrunkface]

I think it's Thursday. I think it's Squanch Day.

I think people should do more to try to avoid pain in the first place.

 

[HeadHodge]

I was more thinking it might be a good time to promote the benefits of kava as a non additictive solution for pain relief. When I created the OP, I thought it was obvious, but guess not,

 

[sɥɐʞɐs]

Strong kava, especially heavier varieties, works pretty well as a non-addictive pain killer. Definitely nowhere near as powerful and effective as Opioids, but at least as effective as 600mg of Ibuprofen (or other OTC pain meds), with the added benefit of also relaxing your mind and body with it's psychoactive effects. However, strong heavy kava is more sedating and nauseating and wouldn't likely be suitable for chronic daytime usage if you need to be productive.

 

[Zaphod]

Not sure kava fits the bill. While it does relieve some pain....it is nothing like the relief from a strong opiate. For minor aches and pains I find it similar to aleve or ibuprofen. If I got the same back pain I did a few years ago where I literally couldn't move for hours I would have had to take so much kava that I wouldn't be able to move for hours...

 

[Krunkie McKrunkface]

I think it can depend on the person. When my wife broke both her arm and her leg in July they put her on Norco and as soon as she could she stopped taking them and switched entirely to kava for her pain relief and it worked very well. It was great that she could avoid all of the side effects of the strong narcotic.

I'm not sure it would work for everyone, but it really really worked well for her. Of course, she has a dufus chump of a husband who doesn't mind sitting on the couch half the day trad prepping bag after bag of heavy kava....

 

[SelfBiasResistor]

Kava is great for relieving pain related to inflammatory conditions but for opiod users with pain of a chronic nature, it plays more of a support role. One of the big benefits of many opiods is that they provide motivation. Heavy kava will usually zap out motivation to get anything done so it's really only suitable for night. Heady kava can be a good motivator when times are tough but it doesn't do much to relieve moderate to severe pain. For me, kava is the best afternoon/evening relaxant for the mind and body but it isn't something I can wake up and take and still be productive.

 

[Rick.Sanchez]

There are zero non-addictive pain killers for treating moderate to severe pain. Our fearless leader, as usual, knows very little about which he's talking.

Kava might be the best non-addictive anxiolytic imo, and I think it works okay for pain relief. I don't think it works for more severe types of pain though.

I think it would be interesting to explore using kava in conjunction with different painkillers. While kava won't replace them, I bet it could help people reduce their dosages or at least decrease their reliance on addictive pain killers.

 

[User13789]

Haven't several studies been done that show that MJ has potential for long-term pain management.

 

[Nirad]

Just my own personal experience, I have chronic chest pain (from pericarditis) and at least the anxiolytic effects of Kava have helped immensely, curiously enough with the pain as well since I don't get caught up in the feedback loop of worrying that the pain is actual heart trouble causing it to hurt more.

 

[Intrepidus_dux]

I agree with those that say kava is good as an add on. I use kava in the evenings partially for muscle spasms and partially as a safe entertaining krunk.
When I’m in more pain due to my chronic conditions, I resort to that other herb that shall not be named. I don’t like that one because it makes me moody, but I do use it a couple times a month. MJ was not useful for my pain because I couldn’t drive well on it. So I didn’t renew my medical card this year.

 

[HeadHodge]

Haven't several studies been done that show that MJ has potential for long-term pain management.

if you like eating lots of potato chips or cheesy puffs!

 

[Zac Imiola (Herbalist)]

Better than dying.. or being in pain .

Opiates cause munchies too anyway.

 

[HeadHodge]

Better than dying.. or being in pain .

Opiates cause munchies too anyway.

They also cause massive constipation too. Kava does the opposite and provides hours of farting fun time to boot!

 

[gork]

Speaking to my experience managing what's possibly technech and TMJ issues. I'm still experimenting with lots of things. For me it totally depends on the day so far. I don't like how zanaflex makes me feel and it's far to easy to accidentally over do it. Meloxicam (kind of like asprin)+certain kava's (for example) so far much better. Eua for me was great for some parts of it. I'm also doing yoga, TaiChi and quigon two-three times a day. Might as well say the name Specia (however that's spelled) as far as I know has all sorts of issues. I simply don't know enough about it to comment one way or the other. I also simply don't know personally what the science says about different Kava strains for pain management.

My experience has been hit and mis. When it's goes well some kinds of Kava's like Tuvanie's Secrete (for example), or Papa Kea in the evevening were just right. Tavanie's secret rocks for what it is, same for Kumukua. at being pleasent and helpful for managing likely TMJ problems. And that is truly great. I don't like Meloxicam durring the week. I keep it for huge problem. But I also Acupuncture, and keep some Magic Goops I to rub on my shoulder, nech and jaw.

Getting a bit Krunked in the evening or with Extra Strong KavaBrandKava is possibly ok. That's what I loved about Eua, and Tvani's secret is a little like it. I prefer to start with that and Ibuprfone. see if that does the trick (for example) On the other hand the Co-op's KavaBrandKava is awesome for managing stress. A bit to much of it and I get more goofy than usual, wich for helping managing a collaboration space is fine. Still trying to start my own as well.

You are right thoug

There are zero non-addictive pain killers for treating moderate to severe pain. Our fearless leader, as usual, knows very little about which he's talking.

Kava might be the best non-addictive anxiolytic imo, and I think it works okay for pain relief. I don't think it works for more severe types of pain though.

I think it would be interesting to explore using kava in conjunction with different painkillers. While kava won't replace them, I bet it could help people reduce their dosages or at least decrease their reliance on addictive pain killers.

^ My experience has been some Kava roots are perfect for what you're talking about. You nailed it. 6-7 months ago when I firstgot new symptoms of TechNech I tried all sorts of things. Some of them just a bad idea.Sufficed to say. You're right. At least in my case. I've managed to go from ibuprofene+asprin almost daily from tension headaches making technech worse. I meen it's already some Klingons singing out of key. But now they at least agree on what saga to sing. And I do start with Kava Daily. Litterally. I kicked to day off with some breakfast and some Fridge Kava, and instead of 20MG of Meloxicam (wich is a reeely large dose) It was down to about 7-9MG (half a tab) for example and I'm still feely reeeely REEEEELY just awesome. I've all but cut out Zanaflex as it's just not safe IMO. Compared to a little (ok a lot) goofy with some Kavas and possibly napping and Waking up feeling fantastic and in a mood for funny Movies?


I'll take: What's a Happy silly napping drink for 50-60 per 1lb or 1/2 Kilogram Alex?

 

[gork]

Our fearless leader is calling for a push on promoting the country to use non addictive drugs for pain relief to reduce the opioid crisis.

Its sort of a rhetorical question... but any thoughts??

Feel free to share my post(S) here as part of the story about helping people manage strees and pain if it'll help.

 

[Deleted User01]

Fearless leader indeed. I think we are doing our best here at the forums to fight the crisis on a one person at a time basis. Honestly, all the headlines are just huge blasts of hot air (that smells like bad breath) with no solutions behind them. When fearless leader is on TV, I change the channel. You know, life is too short for that kind of aggravation. And I'm sure the problem is not a crisis and as our own fearless leader will tell you, it ain't nothing new. It has been going on for a long time and that is why we have The Kava Forums.
Have a Blessed Day!

 

[HeadHodge]

Fearless leader indeed. I think we are doing our best here at the forums to fight the crisis on a one person at a time basis. Honestly, all the headlines are just huge blasts of hot air (that smells like bad breath) with no solutions behind them. When fearless leader is on TV, I change the channel. You know, life is too short for that kind of aggravation. And I'm sure the problem is not a crisis and as our own fearless leader will tell you, it ain't nothing new. It has been going on for a long time and that is why we have The Kava Forums.
Have a Blessed Day!

jman, thats why you should use kava so you can relieve enough anxiety to enable you to watch our fearless leader.

Im kinda dissapointed no one mentioned using tudei kava, like ISA, for pain relief.

 

[Deleted User01]

jman, thats why you should use kava so you can relieve enough anxiety to enable you to watch our fearless leader. Im kinda dissapointed no one mentioned using tudei kava, like ISA, for pain relief.

Not as disappointed as Jonathan Yee and Kavasseur. Remember this, people also have to get up and work the next day. Though I know plenty of people who go to work in the morning impersonating Zombies so I guess it wouldn't matter for them. By the way, who said ISA/Tudei was good for pain relief? Is it just assumed? Headgie, did you get into the Tudei when you had your neck injury? I'm leaving the door open but you have to fess up if you are retired.