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Wakacon Fiji Waka Acetone Test

ShredMN

Kava Curious
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Wakacon on the left, toxic filth from Minneapolis book and herb store on the right.

Light isn’t great, but when I hold the wakacon up to a strong led light it is a nice light yellow hue, while the bookstore kava is clearly dark orange.

The bookstore kava made me really sick to the point I made myself throw up, and the next day I felt like crap as well. No issues with the wakacon as it’s clearly noble!

Wakacon seems good to go, at least their fiji waka!
 

ShredMN

Kava Curious
Present Moment Books & Herbs. Would highly recommend staying away from that place, at least if you’re buying kava.
 

schatz

itchin for kava
Wakacon is great for kava, especially at the price point it was offered a couple years ago. I have since moved on to try other great kavas but it is available on Amazon so real quick for a pinch.
 

TheKavaFlow

Kava Podcaster
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Wakacon on the left, toxic filth from Minneapolis book and herb store on the right.

Light isn’t great, but when I hold the wakacon up to a strong led light it is a nice light yellow hue, while the bookstore kava is clearly dark orange.

The bookstore kava made me really sick to the point I made myself throw up, and the next day I felt like crap as well. No issues with the wakacon as it’s clearly noble!

Wakacon seems good to go, at least their fiji waka!
The lighting's not great but... sheesh. That's some pretty nasty looking kava.
 

Kavashua

Mmmm Kava
The last few weeks I’ve been drinking wakacon to stay on the cheap and although it is far from great effects it does the trick and I’m happy to see results like this
 

Krunkie McKrunkface

Kava Connoisseur
Just trying wakacon out of curiosity. You know how it is. Gotta try every kava!
Oh, there's nothing wrong with it. I've been drinking it non-stop for the past 12 months. It just went in price from $33/lb to $43/lb in that time. There's still some kavas in the $35 - $38/lb range that I've switched to
 

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Kava Curious
The problem I have with the bargain basement kavas (which I consider wakacon to be one) is that I have to drink more to get the same effect, sometimes as much as twice as much (was like this with best fiji). If I have a choice of going through two bags of 30 dollar kava or one 60 dollar kava I'd rather have the 60 dollar one and ration it, regardless of noble status.

This is probably why I'm not going to have kava for a month or two at a mininum. :shifty: my budget has always been low but 60 dollars used to get as much kava as I wanted to drink in a month even that felt like an expensive habit. I miss kavaboy, they took longer to ship than other vendors but you always new you were going to get something good when you placed an order.

A couple months ago I had some Vula Waka Fiji from Kalm with Kava which is selling for 49 dollars plus shipping and it's suitable for going a long way with a little, though I prefer headier ones. With shipping I think it works out to be just under $55 per pound if I do a bulk 6lb order. I haven't gotten wakacon in a while but if it's anything like I remember I'd rather have 22% less kava but have it be the KWK Vula Waka. Though right now even Vula Waka is out of the question. Someday I want to try a high end GHK to see if there's any diminishing returns.

At least Buddhist meditation is still free; I'm kind of shocked with how much that's helped my anxiety over the last few months. And there's always ashwagandha as long as all I want is to sleep deeply and lower my cortisol a bit. That stuff is dirt cheap compared to kava even if it doesn't do as much.
 

Krunkie McKrunkface

Kava Connoisseur
What kavas would those be?
Best Fijian (Fiji Waka, Fiji Lawena, and Vanuatu), which I by direct from their website, Tikaram's (Fiji Waka, Fiji Lawena, Vanuatu and Kava Tonga) which I buy from Fiji Market in Hawaii on their website much cheaper than on Amazon, and Herbal Island Fijian Waka on Amazon, although their same kava is listed multiple times on Amazon at different prices so make sure you search them all and choose the cheapest price. It's the same kava, same package and quantity. Oh, and last but not least, Dua Na Bilo Vanuatu on Amazon. They're all fine, of them all the top tree would be, in order: 1. DnB Vanuatu 2. Best Fijian Lawena (GREAT! for mixing) 3. Best Fijian Lawena. Also special mention: a 1:1 blend of Tikaram's Vanuatu with BF Lawena makes a really good strong grog.
 

Krunkie McKrunkface

Kava Connoisseur
The problem I have with the bargain basement kavas (which I consider wakacon to be one) is that I have to drink more to get the same effect, sometimes as much as twice as much (was like this with best fiji). If I have a choice of going through two bags of 30 dollar kava or one 60 dollar kava I'd rather have the 60 dollar one and ration it, regardless of noble status.

This is probably why I'm not going to have kava for a month or two at a mininum. :shifty: my budget has always been low but 60 dollars used to get as much kava as I wanted to drink in a month even that felt like an expensive habit. I miss kavaboy, they took longer to ship than other vendors but you always new you were going to get something good when you placed an order.

A couple months ago I had some Vula Waka Fiji from Kalm with Kava which is selling for 49 dollars plus shipping and it's suitable for going a long way with a little, though I prefer headier ones. With shipping I think it works out to be just under $55 per pound if I do a bulk 6lb order. I haven't gotten wakacon in a while but if it's anything like I remember I'd rather have 22% less kava but have it be the KWK Vula Waka. Though right now even Vula Waka is out of the question. Someday I want to try a high end GHK to see if there's any diminishing returns.

At least Buddhist meditation is still free; I'm kind of shocked with how much that's helped my anxiety over the last few months. And there's always ashwagandha as long as all I want is to sleep deeply and lower my cortisol a bit. That stuff is dirt cheap compared to kava even if it doesn't do as much.
I think a lot depends on how you define effects and what kinds you are seeking. I drink kava primarily for beneficial systemic health benefits (i.e. long term effects, not short term), vivid dreams and if possible a little bit of pleasure (and because I like the taste, muwahahahahaha). And for this I drink it all day every day. Luckily these bargain basement kavas are fine for those purposes. Also, sometimes as a treat I drink the topshelf kavas and get those other effects of pleasure along with the baseline stuff I need. I find the lawena helps for blending for best effects and taste in some cases. Some kavas in this world are too nasty for me to drink straight without lawena, but that's not just true of some cheap kavas, it's also true of some "good" expensive ones. Especially piney kavas. Piney kavas are not bad kavas, they're just piney. Some are excellent in effect.
 
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Kava Curious
For me I drink as an anxiolytic, as I used to have clinical levels of anxiety though I'm told I've improved enough to no longer qualify for a strict diagnostic label, to get through more stressful situations, and to take the edge off overwhelming environments, and for 'fun' (of course also to relax at the end of the day). And also because I enjoy making it. This mostly isn't impacted by if I have 6 tablespoons of Vula Waka or 10-12 tablespoons of best fiji or wakacon (spaced out however I want). I strongly expect these weaker kavas have a lower kavalactone content, though they are just as good at causing me nausea.

I've never had a kava that was so strong I had to dilute it with, well, more kava. There are other other good reasons to mix kava, but that doesn't make sense to me on a logical level. If it's too strong I can use less of it or drink it more slowly.

Anyway, I'm not telling people not to buy it if they're happy with it, but I don't view it as the most efficient kavalactone per dollar and my experience people don't always notice units. Like I've seen people make a really big deal about how cheap certain brands of makeup are and then I notice that brand sells tiny containers and they're actually paying more than my "expensive" makeup. But if you have some goal other than unit per currency then getting the "inefficient" choice can still make perfect sense and be the most effective.
 
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Krunkie McKrunkface

Kava Connoisseur
For me I drink as an anxiolytic, as I used to have clinical levels of anxiety though I'm told I've improved enough to no longer qualify for a strict diagnostic label, to get through more stressful situations, and to take the edge off overwhelming environments, and for 'fun' (of course also to relax at the end of the day). And also because I enjoy making it. This mostly isn't impacted by if I have 6 tablespoons of Vula Waka or 10-12 tablespoons of best fiji or wakacon (spaced out however I want). I strongly expect these weaker kavas have a lower kavalactone content, though they are just as good at causing me nausea.

I've never had a kava that was so strong I had to dilute it with, well, more kava. There are other other good reasons to mix kava, but that doesn't make sense to me on a logical level. If it's too strong I can use less of it or drink it more slowly.

Anyway, I'm not telling people not to buy it if they're happy with it, but I don't view it as the most efficient kavalactone per dollar and my experience people don't always notice units. Like I've seen people make a really big deal about how cheap certain brands of makeup are and then I notice that brand sells tiny containers and they're actually paying more than my "expensive" makeup. But if you have some goal other than unit per currency then getting the "inefficient" choice can still make perfect sense and be the most effective.
oh, absolutely, there is definitely a cost/benefit ratio one always has to consider. Cheaper is definitely not always better or even typically better. Those expensive kavas are expensive for some darn good reasons, usually, and a heck of a lot of them are worth it.

Just out of curiosity, have you ever tried treating or preventing anxiety with long term daily low-level doses of kava? What my wife found was that it worked but it took a long time, 6 or 7 months. Although, in the world of anxiety treatments, that was really quite a short time, and the cost was really cheap and a bargain, considering all alternatives which had been tried and failed. For what kava does for me it would be cheap at $200/lb. Obviously our experiences will not work for everyone and it would be beyond irresponsible to try to claim that.
 

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Kava Curious
'Preventative low dose' is kind of what I'm suggesting, at least for people on a limited budget, by suggesting getting a more expensive one and scaling back on the dose in proportion to the increased cost. And I absolutely should once I have enough money saved up to get a few more pounds. If I had started doing that a few months ago I'd might be okay but after drinking larger amounts of kava for years it was a hard habit to break, so now the universe is conveniently breaking it for me and whenever I'm able to start again I'll have to reevaluate what type and amount will be right for me going into the future.

For me it's not about what it's "worth" but how much money I have in my bank account, so yeah. I'm probably derailing a bit from the wakacon discussion though. I mostly was just meaning to explain why I think wakacon is more expensive than its literal price point and free shipping would suggest it is, even if the first post establishes that its nobility probably isn't in question.
 

Krunkie McKrunkface

Kava Connoisseur
'Preventative low dose' is kind of what I'm suggesting, at least for people on a limited budget, by suggesting getting a more expensive one and scaling back on the dose in proportion to the increased cost. And I absolutely should once I have enough money saved up to get a few more pounds. If I had started doing that a few months ago I'd might be okay but after drinking larger amounts of kava for years it was a hard habit to break, so now the universe is conveniently breaking it for me and whenever I'm able to start again I'll have to reevaluate what type and amount will be right for me going into the future.

For me it's not about what it's "worth" but how much money I have in my bank account, so yeah. I'm probably derailing a bit from the wakacon discussion though. I mostly was just meaning to explain why I think wakacon is more expensive than its literal price point and free shipping would suggest it is, even if the first post establishes that its nobility probably isn't in question.
I certainly agree that at the current price Wakacon is not really worth buying, not when equally good kavas can be had for less, or significantly better kavas can be had for just a little more. Nothing wrong with the kava itself, but the cost/benefit ratio is neitehr good enough for me to buy it nor to recommend it.... at this time. I still have some stockpiled from when it was a lot cheaper and I still drink it.

just as a follow up, tonight I triple balled some Best Fijian Waka and was pleasantly surprised at how good it was. Better than I expected.
 

ShredMN

Kava Curious
Update:

I bought more Wakacon Fijian wake from amazon and this bag has been far less potent. It takes a LOT to get a desired effect, and even so the effect is very mild compared to my first bag of Wakacon and the ikaika from GHK. At this point, I wouldn’t recommend ordering from Wakacon to save money as my second bag was near being useless! It seems their consistentcy and quality control are rather poor. I just got some Nangol from BKH and this cultivar has been the best all around compared to the other two I’ve tried, those being Wakacon Fijian waka and Ikaika from GKH.

Recap:
Save your money and don’t buy Wakacon. It may be noble, but the consistency from batch to batch sucks.
 
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