Hello all, and bula. Therapist says kava is bad for liver, and Palarasul question

[gork]

First part go to therapy. I made what some nothing burger comment that I like some heady in the morning to try to start on a good foot, but then like to switch to something more dreamy in the afternoon for more of netflix and chill kind of headspace.
He's all like: well, you should stop because according to the latest research Kava causes sudden liver failure. I made asked if could share a source, because PubMed disagrees. And he was all like: so anyway.
I just wanted to be diplomatic since just about all research I've found on PubMed have vehemently said: no liver damage, especially in moderation. A batch made too strong will have me over the toilet smf on my bed with the lights off and a shirt or sleep mask on moaning like crazy for several hours. Getting sick sucks. Going from that to calling 911 is about as 2020's: well that went to 11 instantly. But at least from Kava itself? not a thing.
If it comes up again are there articles to send him? I have no idea what specific research he looks at.

Question: Palarasul sold by Coral sea from amazon.
I don't know if a bit of context helps:
What I was looking for: I think something dreamy, minus couch lock. I generally love the hell out of kavafied tonga for that. Thing is they were out of stock of 1/2 pounds of it.
Suffice be said: I was all like huh well Palarasul is getting good reviews lets give it a try.
I want it to work, but man. It's flat and one dimensional. Is that a bug (somehow prepped it wrong? oO) or feature?

 

[Groggy]

Kava Research - Kava and Liver Health: The WHO Study that Settles the Debate (Credit: FijiVanuaKava)

Because we all love making sure a dead horse is...well...dead, let's bring up this old myth one more time, lol The kava liver damage myth has been a subject of debate and concern in the medical, recreational, and supplement community, particularly during the years 1998-2002. During this period...

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Kava Research - Master List of Kava Research Articles (Currently 607)

’Apo' Aporosa, S. 2015. “The New Kava User: Diasporic Identity Formation in Reverse.” New Zealand Sociology 30 (4): 58–77. (Apo) Aporosa, S., and Matt Tomlinson. 2014. “Kava Hangover and Gold-Standard Science.” Anthropologica 56 (1): 163–75. https://doi.org/10.1353/ant.2014.0014. Abdel Jaleel...

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Kava Facts of the Day | Jimmy Price | Substack

Scientific, cultural, and medicinal discussions on Piper methysticum Forst. Click to read Kava Facts of the Day, by Jimmy Price, a Substack publication with hundreds of subscribers.

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FROM ABOVE...

Kava Safety Confirmed - No Liver Damage: Tackling the 8 reported factors that have allegedly been identified as potential causes of liver injury from kava use.

Addressing Factors Routinely Identified in Literature as Alleged Culprits in Kava Hepatotoxicity.

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Your therapist is going to be busy reading these for a while!

 

[gork]

Kava Research - Kava and Liver Health: The WHO Study that Settles the Debate (Credit: FijiVanuaKava)

Because we all love making sure a dead horse is...well...dead, let's bring up this old myth one more time, lol The kava liver damage myth has been a subject of debate and concern in the medical, recreational, and supplement community, particularly during the years 1998-2002. During this period...

kavaforums.com

Kava Research - Master List of Kava Research Articles (Currently 607)

’Apo' Aporosa, S. 2015. “The New Kava User: Diasporic Identity Formation in Reverse.” New Zealand Sociology 30 (4): 58–77. (Apo) Aporosa, S., and Matt Tomlinson. 2014. “Kava Hangover and Gold-Standard Science.” Anthropologica 56 (1): 163–75. https://doi.org/10.1353/ant.2014.0014. Abdel Jaleel...

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Kava Facts of the Day | Jimmy Price | Substack

Scientific, cultural, and medicinal discussions on Piper methysticum Forst. Click to read Kava Facts of the Day, by Jimmy Price, a Substack publication with hundreds of subscribers.

kavafacts.substack.com

FROM ABOVE...

Kava Safety Confirmed - No Liver Damage: Tackling the 8 reported factors that have allegedly been identified as potential causes of liver injury from kava use.

Addressing Factors Routinely Identified in Literature as Alleged Culprits in Kava Hepatotoxicity.

kavafacts.substack.com

Your therapist is going to be busy reading these for a while!

Thank you!

 

[Edward]

As above but also switching from one kava to a new one can be tricky. I wouldn't worry about the new one not delivering in full straight away, just keep going because in my experience you can even get reverse tolerance between strains.

 

[gork]

As above but also switching from one kava to a new one can be tricky. I wouldn't worry about the new one not delivering in full straight away, just keep going because in my experience you can even get reverse tolerance between strains.

Oh yeah! I hadn't thought about that part. But now that you mention it... years ago BKH had 'EUA and then after sometime stopped carrying it, kavafieds' Tonga is also a 'Eua strain. I was pretty frustrated that it wasn't working. I don't know many times in a row I had to order it, before, it clicked out of the blue. I think I was listening to some Enigma, when--poof. a ridiculously nice glow.
I'll keep at it since it does have promise

 

[Pzk]

As above but also switching from one kava to a new one can be tricky. I wouldn't worry about the new one not delivering in full straight away, just keep going because in my experience you can even get reverse tolerance between strains.

There is something to it. And something to add, I was so sure I wouldn't like cultivar XY, but the longer I know it, suddenly I like it best.

But also something I would like to add: reverse tolerance? Where is it?

Two days ago, I was OK with 40gr +/- and had a good night sleep after a week of doing lots of kava. Last night I thought 35-40gr should be enough. Ended up with 93gr Kava all night and couldn't sleep except 30 minutes. After doing the last 18gr at 6 in the morning finally I could sleep for a couple of hours.

 

[Edward]

There is something to it. And something to add, I was so sure I wouldn't like cultivar XY, but the longer I know it, suddenly I like it best.

But also something I would like to add: reverse tolerance? Where is it?

Two days ago, I was OK with 40gr +/- and had a good night sleep after a week of doing lots of kava. Last night I thought 35-40gr should be enough. Ended up with 93gr Kava all night and couldn't sleep except 30 minutes. After doing the last 18gr at 6 in the morning finally I could sleep for a couple of hours.

Yes, it happens that way sometimes too. I have been through periods of time where I wasn't getting much at all from kava and had to "superdose" a few days to kick it back in and then it settled back down to 30 or 40g a day.