Borogu aka my search for a "heady" kava

[Absent Minded]

Hey guys,
Plan on placing another order with BKH today, Definitely getting another half key of the Boroguru which is remarkable stuff. I am looking, however, for a "heady" kava to give a shot - all the one's I've had so far are the more heavy, body type ones (boroguru and tudei by KBR). My very first order of kava was actually Waka, but I had no clue what I was doing, hadn't broken through the tolerance problem, and was unimpressed. I believe that is a more "heady" type though?
So my question is - which kavas offered by BKH are "heady"? I feel like I read borogu was, but on the other hand, feel like I real borogu was a mellower version of boroguru.
Any insight would be great guys, thanks in advance.

 

[sɥɐʞɐs]

To me, Borogu is somewhere in the middle. Not as full and heavy as Boroguru and not as light as Fu'u.
If you're curious about full blown heady you should probably try Fu'u or possibly Nambawan.

 

[Absent Minded]

Hmm, okay that sounds good. Thanks for the input.
Have you ever had the Waka? I'm sure it's a great product (after boroguru I have no reason to believe it wouldn't be) but as I said when I had it I hadn't gotten past the tolerance problem.

 

[infraredz]

I would definitely recommend Melo Melo and Nambawan as the best "heady" kavas that I've had.

I can't tolerate the fine grind of Fu'u, but some can and I've heard great things from them.

The Waka isn't nearly as good as any of the above, in my experience.

 

[Absent Minded]

ok, seems I'll be broadening my horizons then trying something new. I don't really wanna spend the extra $$ for the nambawan, so I'll consider Melo Melo.

In general, are the heady kavas as "hard hitting" as the more body-heavy types? By that I mean, are the effects roughly equal in intensity, just focused on your head/more cerebral? Or are they more mellow and less noticeable?
Also not opposed to other vendors, if there are any remarkable heady types from other vendors, do share.

 

[infraredz]

Yeah, I would say the potency is definitely the same (especially with Nambawan, which I only need 5tbsp of compared to 9tbsp of the Melo Melo). You're right that it just has its effect in a different way.

As far as other vendors, since this is in BKH's forum, let's keep it to BKH's products.

Any questions about other heady kavas would be more appropriate in the Kava Lounge.

 

[Absent Minded]

Valid point. I been averaging 7tbsp of Boroguru per session, though I've done 9. This morning I decided to do 7 as I had just gotten to OK to work from home... jesus, after a full night's sleep and no food, this put me on my ass. Gonna make a huge lunch now.

 

[Absent Minded]

but thanks again for the info everyone.

 

[infraredz]

Valid point. I been averaging 7tbsp of Boroguru per session, though I've done 9.

Just since I figure this might help, here is the rundown of my experience with relative potency of the different products. Here is the amount I need to get the same level of effects, or "where I want to be"
Nambawan- 5 tablespoons
Boroguru and Borogu- 8 tablespoons
Melo Melo- 9 tablespoons
Waka- 10 tablespoons

Fu'u was around 7-8 too, if I remember correctly, so I can't definitively say since I only had it a few times due to the grind issue for me.

 

[Absent Minded]

right on, that's a huge help. thanks very much

 

[Steve T]

I've been drinking BKH's Melo Melo sold by Kava.com (since BKH was out of stock) trying to get the same effects you're looking for.

It's great at relaxing and reducing anxiety, and as a bonus it tastes pretty good. Its anxiolytic properties last into the next day.

I always have different side effects with different kavas. I was drinking a shady tudei kava which gave me hangovers, Melo Melo saved me from it and the hangovers were gone. But Melo Melo makes me crap myself silly the next morning, sometimes to where it interferes with my day.

I switched Boroguru and it did not decrease my anxiety, it actually made it worse, but the digestion problems were gone.

Now I mix 3 tbsp Melo Melo with 5-6 tbsp Boroguru and they work well together.

When I mixed more than 4 tbsp of Melo Melo it seemed like the positive effects didn't increase but my unfortunate side effects did. I've drank 6-10 tbsp Melo Melo but I can't comment on whether it's pleasurable or not. It definitely doesn't get you as kava drunk (if at all) as other kavas. I even changed my whole filtration system over this kava thinking that the negative effects were from drinking too much sediment. It helped but I still had problems.

I have only seen one other person mention Melo Melo giving them digestion problems, and it was from Paradise Kava not BKH. So maybe it's just me and the Melo Melo roots.

Thanks for the Fu'u suggestions on the thread though, I may try that next.

 

[infraredz]

I've gotten quite "loose" bowel movements with each and every kava. In fact, it usually happens within an hour of chugging my grog. Sediment has an effect on this, but personally, I think that there is an aspect of this that's because of the proposed MOA of kava.

 

[Deleted User01]

I haven't tried it yet but according to my Hawaiian Kava Botany book, the Papa Ele Ele (GHK) is said to have around 7 percent of Kavain by itself. That is huge and may be the reason that it is so popular in Hawaii. And that's assuming the Hawaiians can even get it. Chris has it now but I don't know for how long. I have it on order.

Infraredz, I posted earlier in the month or longer ago that I always have the urge to "do number 2" right before I drink Kava and particularlly Grog. Half a dozen people responded, "Me too". I don't know if there were joshing me or not but the mind works in mysterious ways and it does talk to the bowels. Once I start drinking it "clams up". Like Reverse Tolerance, this is another mystery of Kava with lots of people verifying the odd behavior. Put that on your "needs more research" list.

I would ask Steve T if the Melo Melo was a a very fine grind and whether he was consuming extra fiber because of it. I like fiber but fiber doesn't like some people. Kava just loves to create more mysteries for us to solve.

 

[infraredz]

Well, it actually is another potential aspect of a research paper I'm working on. Though it won't be focussed on the effects of the GI, it will include my hypothesis regarding the possible mechanisms behind the reason for this effect.

 

[Steve T]

I would ask Steve T if the Melo Melo was a a very fine grind and whether he was consuming extra fiber because of it. I like fiber but fiber doesn't like some people. Kava just loves to create more mysteries for us to solve.

Hey Deleted User01, the grind seems to be just right, coarser than boroguru. It's easy to squeeze/kneed the liquid out of the kava clump in my nylon stocking whereas boroguru can be muddy and takes a while. Unless there are some super-fine particles that escape the nylon stocking and don't gather at the bottom of the glass. Thanks for the reply.

Melo Melo really is effective as a heady kava. It just gives me the runs the next day if I drink too much. I didn't intend to go on too much about that or to diss the kava. I still drink it every night. So as a person with racy/obsessive thinking and anxiety, I am willing to turn my butt into a cannon every morning to get the Melo Melo effects. That should be a testimonial to how effective it is, lol. But I'd like to try Fu'u as well.

 

[infraredz]

Ginger works wonders for nausea, though I don't think it would help in the loose bowel department.

 

[Deleted User01]

The Kava Forums is like a laboratory with all us members as the lab rats. I guess we need to feed Steve T various high kavain kavas and see if he is allergic to all High Kavain Kavas or just Melo Melo. He sure does seem like that is a food allergy of some kind but what kind? It sure would be nice if the vendors could post the percent of Kavalactones and the percent of each Kavalactone but that may be asking too much. Maybe Tyler's dream of instituting a testing program could get that done.

 

[TidyMinion]

Just pulled the trigger on 1lb of Nambawan. Now I'll just blink and it'll be in my mailbox since BKH uses teleportation as a delivery system. I'm closing in on 1 year of root powder consumption so I figure it's time for my first order of this sacred formula

 

[Absent Minded]

hahaha. BKH has remarkable shipping times for the price. Order it early in the day, it ships out, 2 days later it's on your door step. I am a fan.
Portland to Jersey in 2 days is a feat.

 

[Absent Minded]

I've been drinking BKH's Melo Melo sold by Kava.com (since BKH was out of stock) trying to get the same effects you're looking for.

It's great at relaxing and reducing anxiety, and as a bonus it tastes pretty good. Its anxiolytic properties last into the next day.

I always have different side effects with different kavas. I was drinking a shady tudei kava which gave me hangovers, Melo Melo saved me from it and the hangovers were gone. But Melo Melo makes me crap myself silly the next morning, sometimes to where it interferes with my day.

I switched Boroguru and it did not decrease my anxiety, it actually made it worse, but the digestion problems were gone.

Now I mix 3 tbsp Melo Melo with 5-6 tbsp Boroguru and they work well together.

When I mixed more than 4 tbsp of Melo Melo it seemed like the positive effects didn't increase but my unfortunate side effects did. I've drank 6-10 tbsp Melo Melo but I can't comment on whether it's pleasurable or not. It definitely doesn't get you as kava drunk (if at all) as other kavas. I even changed my whole filtration system over this kava thinking that the negative effects were from drinking too much sediment. It helped but I still had problems.

I have only seen one other person mention Melo Melo giving them digestion problems, and it was from Paradise Kava not BKH. So maybe it's just me and the Melo Melo roots.

Thanks for the Fu'u suggestions on the thread though, I may try that next.

I find this odd. Boroguru destroys anxiety for me. Not that I suffer from it regularly, but after a day at work or skateboarding, it soothes all the ails I knew I had and quite a few of them that I didn't know I had