Member Soapbox Does anyone else drink kava all day?

[Roaddog]

Sounds good. Ya, I know 3 mgs. will do the job. But 30 really works, and has a pleasant drift in and out thing going, as you go to sleep. I find larger doses of melotonin, works better and almost has a pleasant feeling. I first found these effects, by a drink they sale down at the gass station, called Sippin Syrup. They sale it along side the teas and sodas. Anyway, it says on the label it contained 30 mgs. Of melotonin, and could cause relaxing effect. I think its basicly a novelty spin off of that Rap song. Anyway, I used to bey one, on my way home from work, every night. And drink it and go to bed. Well I found I pretty much found the same results from taking, 20mgs of melotonin. So that's what I have been using, along with 50mgs of diphenhydramine. But after I ran out of the hydroxyzine, I just kicked up the diphenhydramine, and the Melotonin by a extra pill each.

So that's why I need my evening kava, 30mgs of melotonin, and 75mgs. of diphenhydramine. Because while going through my medication withdrawals, that's what I got to do, to get some sleep. I soon will be backing off both sleep aids. The Kava, I don't know.

Here is tonight's game plan, I have had no kava, all day. Tonight Im thinking of putting on Tranolane (which is a anesthetic cream for treating hemorrhoids) on the red puffy spots, excluding my face. My face and close to my eyes, I will use Aquaphor (healing ointment, I also use it on my tattoo work) Then figured I would use Amlactin, every where else. I do have some cocoa butter petroleum jelly at my disposal too. But don't know where to use that at yet? And then Ill drink 3 shells. Do you think that will work? would any of you change anything in tonight's regiment? what do ya all think about cocoa butter? Much love. Roaddog....

 

[kavadude]

Woah, that is a lot of melatonin. Microgram doses can have a hormonal effect and adjust your circadian rhythm; somewhere around 3mg should be enough to produce a sedative effect.

I've tried aquaphor but it actually makes my lips burn a little when I have dermopathy. Try a little at once and let me know if it works for you.

 

[Roaddog]

Woah, that is a lot of melatonin. Microgram doses can have a hormonal effect and adjust your circadian rhythm; somewhere around 3mg should be enough to produce a sedative effect.

I've tried aquaphor but it actually makes my lips burn a little when I have dermopathy. Try a little at once and let me know if it works for you.

Do you have any case studies on that, I goggled a few things, and couldn't find anything. I even heard of people taking 60mgs. Like I said, they sale 30mgs, in one beverage down at the gas station. All that I could find is melatonin being used to help with circadian rhythm. But Don't know the doses. Meaning I could not find any information about effects of large doses of melatonin, well other than this http://www.circadiansleepdisorders.org/treatments.php But its kind of vague, unless I missed something, which is possible. I have been using 20mg. and some times 30mgs, for years. I find I can stop taking it, when Im not going through , what im going through. And use 50mg. of diphenhydramine. Or I can stop taking the diphenhydramine, and use just 20mgs of Melatonin. But I must have one or both to sleep. I have been using diphenhydramine, for about 10 years. I have been using melatonin, on and off, for about 3 years. Much love. Roaddog.....

 

[infraredz]

Do you have any case studies on that, I goggled a few things, and couldn't find anything. I even heard of people taking 60mgs.

I agree with kavadude. 30-60mg of Melatonin is simply just insane (in my opinion).

Here is some reading regarding dosing:
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=melatonin dosage&btnG=&as_sdt=1,5&as_sdtp=

 

[kavadude]

Roaddog, I'm afraid I don't have any studies off the top of my head, I am just a long time sufferer of sleep disorders and that is what I've read over time. I definitely understand what you are going through with the sleep stuff, I have been on the melatonin/benadryl regimen before, managed to cut down to just taking a small amount of melatonin when my sleep schedule gets out of wack.

 

[Roaddog]

Thanks @infraredz. Just remember my usual dose was 20mg. not 60mg. I have been resorting to 30mg. Which I will adjust, after we get through the next couple weeks or so. @kavadude Thank you too for even making me aware of anything. I think after my other meds are leveled off, I will go just on melatonin, and sort of taper my brain back to normal sleep patterns. I have not had normal sleep patterns in 10 years, or better. I cant imagine what life would be like to not have to take a pill for anything, much less sleep. I will get there. I am working hard on my goal, to be med free. I want to find a place where herbs, heal my ailments. Thank you both for the information. You are truly caring members. Even inspiring.


All right getting ready to get lathered up. And take my 6 scoop kava tea. I got like 45 minutes. Wish me luck. Better yet, wish my butt crack luck, its what's really my worst itchy spot. There you go. Now you know my whole dam life.

 

[Roaddog]

Also I have a very stressful thing Im dreading doing tonight. I am going to have to shoot 2 cats. They are severly undernourished, and both have broken legs. THESE ARE NOT MY CATS!!! No, I had a neighbor who lived down the road, who was a cat horder, and she just moved out and left all her cats . My wife is a vet student. I got lots of guns, I have hunted, some what. I have killed farm animals, to eat. But I do not want to shoot these cats. One of them is a mother of 4 kittens, that are old enough to adopt out (Anyone need a cat) Ya, I thought so. Same response my wife gets at Wallmart when she takes them there to give away. Being an animal lover is rough. I have gotton to where I don't even kill my chickens, unless they are very sick, or injured. We have a mutual relationship. I feed them, they eat, lay eggs, and stay the hell out of my garden. So Me and the chickens are cool. But Man, I wish I didn't have to go do what I must do. But there in Pain, and can barely walk, and are so skinny, they look like they will blow away in the wind. Any way, I need my kava, before I do this stressful deal here. Again wish me luck, and thank your lucky stars the cat lady next down the road don't stick ya with 30 cats, that are coming to beg for food, and someone to love them. I got screwed on this deal. Much love. Roaddog....

 

[infraredz]

Thanks @infraredz. Just remember my usual dose was 20mg. not 60mg. I have been resorting to 30mg. Which I will adjust, after we get through the next couple weeks or so. @kavadude Thank you too for even making me aware of anything.

@Roaddog Here are some interesting things I found:

A meta analysis:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3656905/

Look at the wide range of doses for different applications according to the Mayo Clinic:
http://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/melatonin/dosing/hrb-20059770

MIT finding that higher doses aren'r necessarily more effective than lower dose (0.1-0.3mg)
http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2001/melatonin-1017

All this being said, from what I've read there is no dose-response relationship with Melatonin...

 

[infraredz]

Also I have a very stressful thing Im dreading doing tonight. I am going to have to shoot 2 cats. They are severly undernourished, and both have broken legs. THESE ARE NOT MY CATS!!! No, I had a neighbor who lived down the road, who was a cat horder, and she just moved out and left all her cats .

I would take them to an a pet adoption center (make sure it's not a "no-kill" shelter). It doesn't cost any money, and they will process the animals through their own process and make sure that they are comfortable until they can be euthanized.

That way, they will be put down in a more humane way.

Still, sorry to hear about seeing such devastating things. I can't even start when it comes to mistreated animals...

 

[Roaddog]

@infraredz
We are member of the adoption center. They have resorted to euthinization, in the last year, so I got to euthanize the very sick. and try to adopt out all the kittens, then what's left, that isn't so farrel, they cant be worked with, will go to the shelter. This is the most humane thing We have come up with. Also Shelters will not except cats here, because Its become such an epidemic. I guess some people don't understand they are responsible for there animals. There aint a varmint on my farm that dose not have all its shots, and all the proper up keeping according to each ones need. We have 1 cat, that only has 3 legs. We have a chiwawa with only one eye. And a another dog who suffers from depression. I also go a sun conure Parrot, that just got her claws trimmed. I have so many animals. That I pay for, and take care of. It angers me, when I see people who are not responsible with there animals. Anyway. Im just ranting know. Sorry. Anyway. Im getting ready to go do this. Also had to change the gauze on a chicken who I have been treating for bumble foot. I had to take a scalpel and cut half her toe off. It was bad. She is doing better know, its been about a week. Life on the farm, is laid back they say. Ya right.. Much love. Roaddog....

 

[kavadude]

Roaddog, man, I am sorry to hear about all that. Thank you for taking responsibility where others did not.

 

[Roaddog]

The job is done. It was not easy. I had to cage a kitten, while I took off her mom, the other one was a young male, so that was not quit as hard, but the female, made me shed a tear, and Im a pretty big tough man, or so I think. Thanks @kavadude , appreciate the support. I wish there was some way to have those cats injuries fixed. But they were both car hits. The young mail, had his bone, sticking through his break, The mother was not too much better. I hope I don't reap bad karma, over this. I hope I did the right thing. Anyway, really ya all, I've gotten a bit off topic, or maybe not, now ya all understand why I want to drink kava all day. Well, I ended up only doing 5 scoops instead of 6, of Borogu. That seems to be helping.

 

[TidyMinion]

The job is done. It was not easy. I had to cage a kitten, while I took off her mom, the other one was a young male, so that was not quit as hard, but the female, made me shed a tear, and Im a pretty big tough man, or so I think. Thanks @kavadude , appreciate the support. I wish there was some way to have those cats injuries fixed. But they were both car hits. The young mail, had his bone, sticking through his break, The mother was not too much better. I hope I don't reap bad karma, over this. I hope I did the right thing. Anyway, really ya all, I've gotten a bit off topic, or maybe not, now ya all understand why I want to drink kava all day. Well, I ended up only doing 5 scoops instead of 6, of Borogu. That seems to be helping.

You did the right thing, you considered all options, it sucks that it just turned out that way. Sounds like it was a really hard thing to do hope the kava helped. I know it's not so much a similar situation but kava definitely helped my girlfriend and I through the loss of our dog this past winter. Unlike alcohol which would have just numbed me, kava helped me be calm and actually process my feelings and get to a place of acceptance about the situation. Hope your night got better after that...

 

[Kojo Douglas]

Drinking Kava daily is no problem. Drinking Kava ALL day seems unnecessary, though. I can't imagine a reason why you would even want to drink Kava all day. Kava is special because it carves a part out of the day for relaxation, for pleasure, for laughter, and for imagination and creativity. Kava is not an addictive drug like coffee, which lends itself to compulsive and continuous consumption. There is no tangible reason why one would want to be krunk all of the time. Plus, I feel Kava in my system for days after I drink it. And by feel it, I mean I have a better and more relaxed attitude and perspective on things. Of course, it depends on what you are drinking and why you are drinking it.

 

[Roaddog]

Drinking Kava daily is no problem. Drinking Kava ALL day seems unnecessary, though. I can't imagine a reason why you would even want to drink Kava all day. Kava is special because it carves a part out of the day for relaxation, for pleasure, for laughter, and for imagination and creativity. Kava is not an addictive drug like coffee, which lends itself to compulsive and continuous consumption. There is no tangible reason why one would want to be krunk all of the time. Plus, I feel Kava in my system for days after I drink it. And by feel it, I mean I have a better and more relaxed attitude and perspective on things. Of course, it depends on what you are drinking and why you are drinking it.

Great perspective. I haven't really been wanting to drink kava, all day. But I had been withdrawing from other meds, and all day consumption did wonders at the time. Now Im starting to get over that, and wanting to just use kava, in the evenings. But because of my past heavy use. I have a good bit of the rash. I just cut back to a evening session, last night, and that seemed to help somewhat. I'm just trying to get the rash back to manageable, without totally abstaining from kava. So at this point im trying to resort to simply cutting back. I was using 10 to 16 scoops a day. and only did 5 last knight. I still itched, but I think a little less. Again thank you for your advice. Also nice to meat you. I have seen a lot of your posts. I'm pretty new here.

 

[Kojo Douglas]

Great perspective. I haven't really been wanting to drink kava, all day. But I had been withdrawing from other meds, and all day consumption did wonders at the time. Now Im starting to get over that, and wanting to just use kava, in the evenings. But because of my past heavy use. I have a good bit of the rash. I just cut back to a evening session, last night, and that seemed to help somewhat. I'm just trying to get the rash back to manageable, without totally abstaining from kava. So at this point im trying to resort to simply cutting back. I was using 10 to 16 scoops a day. and only did 5 last knight. I still itched, but I think a little less. Again thank you for your advice. Also nice to meat you. I have seen a lot of your posts. I'm pretty new here.

Nice to meet you too, fellow Kavasseur! I'm happy that Kava has helped you out. It speaks volumes to the medicinal qualities of this sacred plant. Sorry to hear about the rash. I have no experience with that.

 

[HeadHodge]

Nice to meet you too, fellow Kavasseur! I'm happy that Kava has helped you out. It speaks volumes to the medicinal qualities of this sacred plant. Sorry to hear about the rash. I have no experience with that.

What a lucky bastard you are.

 

[Roaddog]

Well so far my lotion regiment, and my cutting my consumption, has somewhat helped. Well actually its helped even a little better than that. This is day 3 of cutting my consumption in half. I was slightly puffy last knight. but nothing compared to before I used lotion, and stopped drinking kava all day, and resort to using in the evenings. I wonder if sticking with this, will completely clear it up, or leave me with a slight constant case of the rash. Ether or, will work for me. I don't mind a little, I can live with that. But too much hurts. It usually feels its most inflamed, like 4 hours after using kava, for some reason, then seems to settle, when not using. Like right know, I got like 6 hours until my evening kava, and I'm barely itching. So I feel I am making progress. Kava dermopathy, can be a real pain. Much love. Roaddog....

 

[The Kap'n]

I've always got some, but after switching from toss & wash to the traditional strain & knead method my dermapothy has declined. It's not gone by a long shot, but it has subsided, and taken residence mostly in my legs.

 

[Roaddog]

I've always got some, but after switching from toss & wash to the traditional strain & knead method my dermapothy has declined. It's not gone by a long shot, but it has subsided, and taken residence mostly in my legs.

It sounds like you have found your balance. Would you say that's true? Am I wrong for seeking a balance? Much love. Roaddog....