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A heartfelt plea to Chris: please consider selling Mo'i extract, or some "portable" Mo'i

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MikeB

MikeB

I like Mo'i
Aloha all... I wanted to make a heartfelt plea here for a second.

Anxiety sucks. Millions of Americans have it. For many, it leaves them completely dysfunctional. Many require medication to treat it, but existing medications for anxiety are some of the most toxic substances on the planet. Benzodiazepenes are extremely addictive. They can lead to pretty bad withdrawal symptoms, and in the long term can even promote anxiety. SSRI's don't fare much better.

I am one of these people, and Mo'i has completely changed my life.

I bring this up to make an important point: there is nothing in the mainstream pharmaceutical world like Kava. First-line anxiety treatments absolutely suck. If Kava were something that pharmaceutical companies could patent, I'm sure they'd be fighting tooth and nail for it. Instead, we have benzodiazepenes. Great...

I single Mo'i out because after a few false starts with Kava, it turned out to be the missing piece. It's completely "clean," it doesn't knock you out, it doesn't inebriate you, and it leaves you able to get through the day - while dramatically relieving anxiety. I don't know of any other cultivar with those properties. Compared to the status quo, I believe that Mo'i has the power to transform people's lives.

This brings me to my plea: please consider making a form of Mo'i that is portable and easy to consume. The Mo'i extract you used to carry would be completely ideal for this purpose.

I understand that powdered root is closer to how Kava is traditionally consumed, but for people who need an as-needed anxiolytic on the go, there are serious drawbacks to this - it's not exactly easy to travel with, carry around, and take as needed. There's currently a market for this - Ozia candies, Gaia Herbs caps, etc, but none of them come even close to what you have with Mo'i. Not even close.

Finally, as a business owner, I understand that it's not my place to tell anyone else what product to make. Chris, you do us all a huge service with GHK and the world is a better place for it. I simply present this as a suggestion. We focus heavily on the recreational properties of Kava here, but its medicinal properties cannot be understated. I really think this plant has the potential to help lots of people in this country. It's telling that we have a coffee pot in every house and office - we're a society of chronically overworked, anxious, stressed out, overstimulated people. And I think that for many, this might be the answer - a portable form of Kava, with an easy mechanism of delivery, which is actually high-quality Mo'i.

Just a thought...
Mike
 
MikeB

MikeB

I like Mo'i
I'll even give a little anecdote...

Last week, I tried a new medication that has the unfortunate side effect of randomly producing really intense panic attacks in a few people, and I guess I was one of them. I have never had that bad a reaction to any drug, ever, at any point in my life. Within hour 1 it was completely unbearable, and I thought I was going to die - with 7 more hours to go.

After a few hours of absolute hell, I remembered I still had some Mo'i left, and went for it. The extent to which it helped is still absolutely astonishing to me. I went from "adrenaline overload" to "on my couch watching Game of Thrones" in like 20 minutes. My heart rate slowed down, my breathing got back to normal, and the panic attack completely went away. A wave of relief crashed over me unlike anything I have ever experienced. I have never been that grateful for an herbal remedy at any point in my life.

I've also, recently, been diagnosed with some sort of neurological issue (perhaps mild epilepsy) that seems to bring serious anxiety attacks with it. This is one of the reasons I'm making the plea for a "portable" form of Mo'i. It's easy to take Klonopin with you and take it as needed, but not so easy to carry powder around and mix up some grog on the go. Kava pills do exist, of course, but they're sure as hell not Mo'i...
 
Groggy

Groggy

Kava aficionado
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I'd love to see some sort of Moi capsule as well, specially since I am one of those "lucky" ones with anxiety problems. I usually bring kava with me in a water bottle to work, not the most convenient method, but it works.
 
Jerome

Jerome

Kava Lover
Hey Mike,

While I don't know your situation exactly, I am very familiar with panic disorder and its plethora of symptoms. I had it so bad at one point, I remember my girlfriend handing me a glass of water, and I emptied it, cleaned it and refilled it, out of fear she was trying to poison me. I had panic attacks all day long, some lasting for hours. I was on benzos for years. I had a "great" doctor who told me, "take as much as you need!"

What really made a big difference for me was a radical diet change. I drastically reduced carbohydrates, completely avoided any form of sugar, increased saturated fat intake to be my major source of calories, and started eating organ meats again mostly in the form of grass fed, organic beef liver. I more or less followed the paleo dietary guidelines with a generous helping of high fat cheeses and some extra starches.

It has made a hell of a difference. I haven't had a panic attack in years now. It took a while at first, but the strong nutritional basis helped me regain my mental cool. I'm going through a very stressful time in my life now due to job, family in hospital, and young children, but it just doesn't phase me like it used to. I've been off the benzos for three years after a very slow taper.

You may want to try dietary changes. I use the kava now as a treat at the end of the day. But I really believe you can beat anxiety back to a useful survival tool that it was meant to be, not the parasitic, constant companion it can become.

As far as a "Mobile Moi", what I used to do is throw a scoop of finely ground powder under my tongue and swish it around in my mouth for as long as I could tolerate, then drown it with a quick shot of water. I think the saliva, and mouth absorption, helped me feel the kava quicker.

Finally, a spoon full of apathy helps the day go by. Learn to not give a shit about the unimportant things in life.

Good luck man, panic disorder is living hell!
 
Jonathan

Jonathan

All Hail Leon
Jerome said:
Hey Mike,

While I don't know your situation exactly, I am very familiar with panic disorder and its plethora of symptoms. I had it so bad at one point, I remember my girlfriend handing me a glass of water, and I emptied it, cleaned it and refilled it, out of fear she was trying to poison me. I had panic attacks all day long, some lasting for hours. I was on benzos for years. I had a "great" doctor who told me, "take as much as you need!"

What really made a big difference for me was a radical diet change. I drastically reduced carbohydrates, completely avoided any form of sugar, increased saturated fat intake to be my major source of calories, and started eating organ meats again mostly in the form of grass fed, organic beef liver. I more or less followed the paleo dietary guidelines with a generous helping of high fat cheeses and some extra starches.

It has made a hell of a difference. I haven't had a panic attack in years now. It took a while at first, but the strong nutritional basis helped me regain my mental cool. I'm going through a very stressful time in my life now due to job, family in hospital, and young children, but it just doesn't phase me like it used to. I've been off the benzos for three years after a very slow taper.

You may want to try dietary changes. I use the kava now as a treat at the end of the day. But I really believe you can beat anxiety back to a useful survival tool that it was meant to be, not the parasitic, constant companion it can become.

As far as a "Mobile Moi", what I used to do is throw a scoop of finely ground powder under my tongue and swish it around in my mouth for as long as I could tolerate, then drown it with a quick shot of water. I think the saliva, and mouth absorption, helped me feel the kava quicker.

Finally, a spoon full of apathy helps the day go by. Learn to not give a shit about the unimportant things in life.

Good luck man, panic disorder is living hell!
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I can second this, for sure. I used to have anxiety all the time. I still do, occasionally, but it's not as much as it used to be. I also went on the low-carb, high fat, low-to-no sugar diet, and that helped immensely. At this point in my life, kava helps me deal with any anxiety attacks, quite effectively.

As far as mobile Mo'i goes, my suggestion would be to get some small containers, like those one-shot 5 hour energy drink containers (NOT 5 hour energy, I just mean the containers). Add a teaspoon or two of Mo'i micro or instant to each one with some water, and carry those around with you. They're pretty portable and you can take a shot of it when you need. Sure, not quite as convenient as capsules, but that does the trick.

Hope you're able to find some improvement!
 
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I keep my Moi Micronized in my desk. 1 tablespoon in a dixie cup and I'm done. But extract would be even easier. Just a pinch between yo' cheek and gum and it shor' is relaxin". :D Hey Chris, you could do a commercial like that. Or has it been done??? :whistle:
 
kilakila

kilakila

Kava keeps me going.
If you don't want to use instant or a micro, how about getting yourself an Aluball shaker from @Kavafied? I shake up my kava in the morning (2tbs to about 8oz or so, but your ratio might be different). I can then either keep it in the Aluball bottle or put it into another container, shake before I pour myself a shell (use a cup if you want to be discreet) whenever needed. Anybody asks just tell them its a healthy protein drink. You can always keep some extra medium grind kava in a plastic bag, clean and refill the aluball sphere, add water, shake, and start again.
 
kilakila

kilakila

Kava keeps me going.
Like a lot of people here, I'm dealing with SA and GAD after atrocious family problems. SSRI's made me ill so been on low dose benzos off and on for two years. Currently tried to get off valium but had to go back to 2mgs. Trying again to taper! May I ask which medication you tried that gave you bad anxiety? My Pdoc wants to try something new. I'd rather not.
 
verticity

verticity

I'm interested in things
I think @Gourmet Hawaiian Kava has stated he has, or used to have, a CO2 extractor, but is not planning to sell extract products.

The thing is, as others have stated Mo'i micronized or instant are both great products. Try the instant if you stomach is very sensitive like mine. Both instant and micro give the full effect you would get from medium grind. However, if he made an extract from Mo'i, it certainly would not give the full effect. Something important is lost in the extraction process: every extract-based product I have tried gives a weaker and less satisfying effect than the whole root. For example, in a case where it is possible to compare apples to apples, Kalm with Kava's drink is for me much milder and "missing something" compared with KWKs borongoru root itself (which I think is in the drink in extract form)
 
MikeB

MikeB

I like Mo'i
Hi everyone, thanks for responding - I talked to Chris and he said he's looking into this. Thank you all!
 
MikeB

MikeB

I like Mo'i
kilakila said:
Like a lot of people here, I'm dealing with SA and GAD after atrocious family problems. SSRI's made me ill so been on low dose benzos off and on for two years. Currently tried to get off valium but had to go back to 2mgs. Trying again to taper! May I ask which medication you tried that gave you bad anxiety? My Pdoc wants to try something new. I'd rather not.
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It was Wellbutrin (generic name bupropion).

A lot of people love it and consider it a miracle drug. I, on the other hand, had a very bad time on it. For some people it can cause anxiety, and for other people pre-disposed to epilepsy it can cause seizures. I don't know which one it triggered in me, but I had a bad reaction to it.

I mentioned that when I drank that Mo'i, it calmed me down and took the edge off. And indeed it did. However, once I finally calmed down enough, I noticed another effect of the drug, which is that it appeared to severely blunt my emotions. I almost felt like a sociopath or something - not in that I wanted to do anything particularly bad or destructive, but that I just didn't seem to feel emotions as strongly, and especially not whatever emotion that's usually like "don't do that, that might hurt someone's feelings." It was like my radar for that stuff was turned off. I didn't like it.

However, my experience is not a very good way to judge the effects of a medication for yourself. If you go online and search anecdotal experiences for this drug, you'll find hundreds of people who describe it as being life-changing, saying "they should put it in the water," etc. And they've done quite a few studies on it and shown that it typically has less side effects than most anti-depressants, since it it's a newer-generation drug and it isn't an SSRI. I tolerated it poorly for some reason, but you might not. I would speak to a psychiatrist about it.
 
kilakila

kilakila

Kava keeps me going.
Oh yea, my doctor (a psychopharmacologist) said absolutely NOT to try Wellbutrin. It would severely exacerbate my anxiety. Tried all the SSRIs and none worked for me. I'm still working on getting rid of the last 1mg of valium - third attempt! Kava definitely helps and I've tried heavy and heady kavas depending on how my body is feeling. Some work, some don't and sometimes those that worked before don't work again. Mahakea has worked for me when I need something to stay active and focused during the day, and Moi sometimes works, sometimes not. Anyway, pdoc has me on a low dose of Gabapentin as I withdraw from the valium and so far it seems to be working although makes me dizzy when I titrate it upwards. I'm giving it a month, if no relief. I'll taper off and stick with the kava.
 
kilakila

kilakila

Kava keeps me going.
Any type of antihistamines rev me up. I am just ultra sensitive to drugs. Once I'm off the Valium, gabapentin will be the next to go. I will then stay with what I know is best for my body and not listen to doctors. Kava, acupuncture, meditation, yoga and exercise are my "drugs" of choice.
 
kilakila

kilakila

Kava keeps me going.
Especially psych docs! Never wanted or needed to see a psychiatrist but ER docs insisted I see someone - at least my regular doc - for treatment. Wish I'd never gone to the ER but when you think youre about to drop dead from a heart attack, probably is the most sensible thing to do.
My psychopharmacologist enjoys taking my $140 for 20 mins of chit-chat and a new prescription. Soon this will all be over!! And I can buy more KAVA!
 
MikeB

MikeB

I like Mo'i
Many psychiatrists typically don't take insurance. Sad but true. The ones that do make less money per patient, and so to stay afloat they're forced to utilize a different business model - treat more patients more quickly. The result is the in-and-out, "pill mill" behavior you sometimes see.
 
thewanderingwise1

thewanderingwise1

Kava Curious
Passion flowers great for anxiety , check it out.it works especially well with kava and is said to double the effects of both when mixed.i just got some and haven't tried it with kava yet.but I hear great things and ill be trying it soon.
 
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