A heartfelt plea to Chris: please consider selling Mo'i extract, or some "portable" Mo'i

[Senoz]

Dear Jerome,

I just read with much interest your post advising about dietary changes (low carb, high fat...) that helped your anxiety issues. I have had an anxiety problem for over 20 years (characterized by an annoying Bodily Focused Repetitive Behaviour of touching/pressing my forehead) which heavily diminishes my quality of life. I have been on benzodiazepines for almost 15 years, until I quitted about 10 months ago. Now I am suffering even more anxiety and am desperately looking for alternative approaches that do not involve returning to benzodiazepines. Kava definitively sounds promising (very new to it, I've been learning a lot about it over the last month and will now be testing it - still trying to fully understand the potential safety issues, especially as they relate to taking other prescription drugs (Effexor).

Do you have any references - such as a website - about this anxiety-defeating dietary approach? It would be great to try that!

Thank you so much in advance....!

Kind regards,
Juan

Hey Mike,

While I don't know your situation exactly, I am very familiar with panic disorder and its plethora of symptoms. I had it so bad at one point, I remember my girlfriend handing me a glass of water, and I emptied it, cleaned it and refilled it, out of fear she was trying to poison me. I had panic attacks all day long, some lasting for hours. I was on benzos for years. I had a "great" doctor who told me, "take as much as you need!"

What really made a big difference for me was a radical diet change. I drastically reduced carbohydrates, completely avoided any form of sugar, increased saturated fat intake to be my major source of calories, and started eating organ meats again mostly in the form of grass fed, organic beef liver. I more or less followed the paleo dietary guidelines with a generous helping of high fat cheeses and some extra starches.

It has made a hell of a difference. I haven't had a panic attack in years now. It took a while at first, but the strong nutritional basis helped me regain my mental cool. I'm going through a very stressful time in my life now due to job, family in hospital, and young children, but it just doesn't phase me like it used to. I've been off the benzos for three years after a very slow taper.

You may want to try dietary changes. I use the kava now as a treat at the end of the day. But I really believe you can beat anxiety back to a useful survival tool that it was meant to be, not the parasitic, constant companion it can become.

As far as a "Mobile Moi", what I used to do is throw a scoop of finely ground powder under my tongue and swish it around in my mouth for as long as I could tolerate, then drown it with a quick shot of water. I think the saliva, and mouth absorption, helped me feel the kava quicker.

Finally, a spoon full of apathy helps the day go by. Learn to not give a shit about the unimportant things in life.

Good luck man, panic disorder is living hell!

 

[Senoz]

Dear Jonathan,

I just read with much interest yours and Jerome's notes on dietary changes (low carb, high fat...) and how these helped your anxiety issues. I have had an anxiety problem for over 20 years (characterized by an annoying Bodily Focused Repetitive Behaviour of touching/pressing my forehead) which heavily diminishes my quality of life. I have been on benzodiazepines for almost 15 years, until I quitted about 10 months ago. Now I am suffering even more anxiety and am desperately looking for alternative approaches that do not involve returning to benzodiazepines. Kava definitely sounds promising (very new to it, I've been learning a lot about it over the last month and will now be testing it - still trying to fully understand the potential safety issues, especially as they relate to taking other prescription drugs such as Effexor).

Do you by any chance have any further information on this dietary approach to treat anxiety? The only piece I could find that is somewhat related to this is information on L-Lysine and L-Arginine (there is a study available on http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16117182). Can you elaborate on this dietary approach?

Looking forward to your comments... and to getting relief of all this anxiety with Kava!

Kind regards,
Juan

I can second this, for sure. I used to have anxiety all the time. I still do, occasionally, but it's not as much as it used to be. I also went on the low-carb, high fat, low-to-no sugar diet, and that helped immensely. At this point in my life, kava helps me deal with any anxiety attacks, quite effectively.

As far as mobile Mo'i goes, my suggestion would be to get some small containers, like those one-shot 5 hour energy drink containers (NOT 5 hour energy, I just mean the containers). Add a teaspoon or two of Mo'i micro or instant to each one with some water, and carry those around with you. They're pretty portable and you can take a shot of it when you need. Sure, not quite as convenient as capsules, but that does the trick.

Hope you're able to find some improvement!

 

[Jerome]

Dear Jerome,

I just read with much interest your post advising about dietary changes (low carb, high fat...) that helped your anxiety issues. I have had an anxiety problem for over 20 years (characterized by an annoying Bodily Focused Repetitive Behaviour of touching/pressing my forehead) which heavily diminishes my quality of life. I have been on benzodiazepines for almost 15 years, until I quitted about 10 months ago. Now I am suffering even more anxiety and am desperately looking for alternative approaches that do not involve returning to benzodiazepines. Kava definitively sounds promising (very new to it, I've been learning a lot about it over the last month and will now be testing it - still trying to fully understand the potential safety issues, especially as they relate to taking other prescription drugs (Effexor).

Do you have any references - such as a website - about this anxiety-defeating dietary approach? It would be great to try that!

Thank you so much in advance....!

Kind regards,
Juan

@Senoz To be honest, the reduction in my anxiety was a surprise. I started the diet to lose weight and improve overall health, when my severe anxiety issue started to disappear, it was a positive side effect. I'll keep an eye out for information. I know a lot of the hormones our body requires to function normally need fat. My increase in fat consumption may have had a positive response on my emotions. I'd say, give the paleo diet a try. Avoid all processed foods and eat lots of fat. Just might help.

 

[Senoz]

Hello Kilakila,

I just read your post about alternative approaches to control anxiety. After many many years on benzodiazepines and on-and-off antidepressant and other drugs. I am now also trying to find alternatives - such as Kava, but also sport (which you mentioned too) and other stuff.

I am curious about your experiences with acupuncture. Did it help with your anxiety issues? What type of anxiety issues do you have?

Looking forward to hearing from you!
Kind regards,

Juan

Any type of antihistamines rev me up. I am just ultra sensitive to drugs. Once I'm off the Valium, gabapentin will be the next to go. I will then stay with what I know is best for my body and not listen to doctors. Kava, acupuncture, meditation, yoga and exercise are my "drugs" of choice.

 

[Senoz]

@Senoz To be honest, the reduction in my anxiety was a surprise. I started the diet to lose weight and improve overall health, when my severe anxiety issue started to disappear, it was a positive side effect. I'll keep an eye out for information. I know a lot of the hormones our body requires to function normally need fat. My increase in fat consumption may have had a positive response on my emotions. I'd say, give the paleo diet a try. Avoid all processed foods and eat lots of fat. Just might help.

Jerome,

Thanks! That's an interesting "side effect" of a healthy diet... perhaps I should listen more to my mum when she says that if I took more care of my nutrition I would not need so many drugs! Just thinking: if you engaged in a healthy diet and in loosing weight, perhaps you also did other stuff such as regular exercise? This might have contributed to lowering your anxiety levels too? I will have a look at this paleo diet...

Kind regards,
Juan

 

[Jerome]

Jerome,

Thanks! That's an interesting "side effect" of a healthy diet... perhaps I should listen more to my mum when she says that if I took more care of my nutrition I would not need so many drugs! Just thinking: if you engaged in a healthy diet and in loosing weight, perhaps you also did other stuff such as regular exercise? This might have contributed to lowering your anxiety levels too? I will have a look at this paleo diet...

Kind regards,
Juan

Hey Juan,
I've always been fairly active. Never extreme, but also never a couch potato. I only exercise now about one per week on average, and really no more than twenty minutes. But I also don't sit down. I don't think my exercise increased any. If anything, it decreased.

Me gusta tu nombre juan, ahora te llamo señor senoZ.

 

[kilakila]

Hello Kilakila,

I just read your post about alternative approaches to control anxiety. After many many years on benzodiazepines and on-and-off antidepressant and other drugs. I am now also trying to find alternatives - such as Kava, but also sport (which you mentioned too) and other stuff.

I am curious about your experiences with acupuncture. Did it help with your anxiety issues? What type of anxiety issues do you have?

Looking forward to hearing from you!
Kind regards,

Juan

Hi @Senoz!

My anxiety issues started with my daughter in law and the birth of my first grandson. She had never liked me, and was somewhat emotionally unstable herself. So it was always like walking on eggshells with her - and consequently my son. Despite my doing everything she wanted (BIG mistake) she refused to let me see my grandson, and two years later, my granddaughter. Told me basically I was a bad influence! My son meanwhile finally found one of his balls (sorry) and convinced her to let me see the grandkids on special occasions. (He has yet to find the other ball and I'm not holding out hope that that will ever happen But the damage had already been done. I had panic attacks and bad social anxiety - really, I guess more like performance anxiety. In any situation. With anybody.

The acupuncture worked great for me although at first the effects didn't last long. But I didn't just have acupuncture - we also worked on life coaching. Almost like a therapist but friendlier and cheaper! Sometimes our talk sessions lasted 90 minutes then I had acupuncture for around 30 mins. A lot of our chats were to support me in feeling better about myself - just the way I was - and how to deal effectively with the situation that was causing the anxiety. All her suggestions worked! I went once a week for about 2 months. Now I go once a month but I feel as though I don't need to go anymore.

Pilates and various other studio sports, including yoga, have helped me become more confident mentally, and physiologically the exercise helped release natural endorphins. I still get anxiety but i have faith in myself that I can deal with it. The part that has been the hardest is getting off the benzos and repairing the damage to my body caused by numerous failed Anti-depressant medications.

Kava has been a great help and if I don't get my daily shell or two, I definitely miss it.

I wish you much luck in getting off your meds and hooked on kava!

 

[thewanderingwise1]

I would suggest looking into anxiety and all health issues on mercola.com .I am very familiar with alternative medicine and a large variety of different types.it's mainly what I used ill my life until I got a serious antibiotic resistant infection and modern doctors used scare tactics to trick me into doing things their way and quite frankly it ruined my body mind and my life.so much so I was quite literally deathly ill and had to focus on my health and mostly nothing else for 5 years justto get my fucking health and life back.I had such bad anxiety during that period that I pretty much was at the point of being agoraphobic.before thos happened i ate relativly healthy and played multiple sports daily and was the proverbial picture of health.giving up all pharmceuticals and steering clear of modern doctors , then doing exvercises , an "actual" healthy diet, affirmations , counseling/reiki/emotional accupressure, yoga and meditation , faith in god and a healthy positive attitude all brought me back from the fucking brink.and from my expierences it will bring anyone back from anything .also seeing a naturopath will really really help and is good to get u started.I wish I knew about kava during all of that though would of been a god send.also like I said mercola.com is a great place to start as well.

 

[Senoz]

Hey Juan,
I've always been fairly active. Never extreme, but also never a couch potato. I only exercise now about one per week on average, and really no more than twenty minutes. But I also don't sit down. I don't think my exercise increased any. If anything, it decreased.

Me gusta tu nombre juan, ahora te llamo señor senoZ.

Gracias Jerome!

Looks like you indeed have harnessed excellent anxiolytic effects from that diet, then... I'm already researching. The issue is that I have my cholesterol rather high, and should try to reduce it. Not quite sure about that fat-rich diet, I take these are the "good" unsaturated fats - but those don't come from cheese, as far as I know! will report back about my experiences with paleo.. thanks and regards!

señor senoZ.

 

[Senoz]

Hi @Senoz!

My anxiety issues started with my daughter in law and the birth of my first grandson. She had never liked me, and was somewhat emotionally unstable herself. So it was always like walking on eggshells with her - and consequently my son. Despite my doing everything she wanted (BIG mistake) she refused to let me see my grandson, and two years later, my granddaughter. Told me basically I was a bad influence! My son meanwhile finally found one of his balls (sorry) and convinced her to let me see the grandkids on special occasions. (He has yet to find the other ball and I'm not holding out hope that that will ever happen But the damage had already been done. I had panic attacks and bad social anxiety - really, I guess more like performance anxiety. In any situation. With anybody.

The acupuncture worked great for me although at first the effects didn't last long. But I didn't just have acupuncture - we also worked on life coaching. Almost like a therapist but friendlier and cheaper! Sometimes our talk sessions lasted 90 minutes then I had acupuncture for around 30 mins. A lot of our chats were to support me in feeling better about myself - just the way I was - and how to deal effectively with the situation that was causing the anxiety. All her suggestions worked! I went once a week for about 2 months. Now I go once a month but I feel as though I don't need to go anymore.

Pilates and various other studio sports, including yoga, have helped me become more confident mentally, and physiologically the exercise helped release natural endorphins. I still get anxiety but i have faith in myself that I can deal with it. The part that has been the hardest is getting off the benzos and repairing the damage to my body caused by numerous failed Anti-depressant medications.

Kava has been a great help and if I don't get my daily shell or two, I definitely miss it.

I wish you much luck in getting off your meds and hooked on kava!

Thanks Kilakila for sharing your background and your experiences with acupuncture and more... definitively encouraging!

All the best I trust your son finds that second ball soon - sounds like time passing helps put things in order.Take care!

Kind regards,
Juan

 

[Harry]

Dear Jerome,

I just read with much interest your post advising about dietary changes (low carb, high fat...) that helped your anxiety issues. I have had an anxiety problem for over 20 years (characterized by an annoying Bodily Focused Repetitive Behaviour of touching/pressing my forehead) which heavily diminishes my quality of life. I have been on benzodiazepines for almost 15 years, until I quitted about 10 months ago. Now I am suffering even more anxiety and am desperately looking for alternative approaches that do not involve returning to benzodiazepines. Kava definitively sounds promising (very new to it, I've been learning a lot about it over the last month and will now be testing it - still trying to fully understand the potential safety issues, especially as they relate to taking other prescription drugs (Effexor).

Do you have any references - such as a website - about this anxiety-defeating dietary approach? It would be great to try that!

Thank you so much in advance....!

Kind regards,
Juan

Now, you may not like what Im going to say but here goes. I've had anxiety, pure-O ocd, and derealization since I was 15. Along with kava the only thing that has helped with my anxiety was medicinal cannabis. Now I know what youre thinking "oh hes a pot head" or something. But thats not the case if you can get your self a med card where you live and have a dispensary close to you i HIGHLY recommend you acquire one. Many people think that MJ and anxiety go hand in hand but that is not the case. Only strains with high thc levels seem to cause an increase in paranoia and anxiety. Get something with a 1:1 ratio of CBD (therapeutic chemical in cannabis) and you will see and instant difference without getting so high that you cant leave the couch. Throw some kava into the mix and anxiety is completely gone even on days you dont ingest cannabis or kava.

 

[thewanderingwise1]

I use pure cbd, it works very well for anxiety and theres no high.and its legal.

 

[Jerome]

Now, you may not like what Im going to say but here goes. I've had anxiety, pure-O ocd, and derealization since I was 15. Along with kava the only thing that has helped with my anxiety was medicinal cannabis. Now I know what youre thinking "oh hes a pot head" or something. But thats not the case if you can get your self a med card where you live and have a dispensary close to you i HIGHLY recommend you acquire one. Many people think that MJ and anxiety go hand in hand but that is not the case. Only strains with high thc levels seem to cause an increase in paranoia and anxiety. Get something with a 1:1 ratio of CBD (therapeutic chemical in cannabis) and you will see and instant difference without getting so high that you cant leave the couch. Throw some kava into the mix and anxiety is completely gone even on days you dont ingest cannabis or kava.

I smoked most of my life. But the first time I had a panic attack was after a funny colored bud in a big baggie. Had years of crippling panic attacks after that and have only fairly recently been able to overcome that disorder with diet and lifestyle changes.

I haven't smoked since, haven't been able. I would love to start smoking again once its legal in my state, I'm able to grow it myself, and its a strain low in THC, something balanced and mellow.

 

[schatz]

I quit smoking the herb years ago because of unwanted side effects like nervousness and anxiety. I recently read an article that mentioned chewing a couple peppercorns with your bud and that takes the unwanted side effects away. My wife has a medical card but did not like the extra side effects either, so I had her try that and she said it really worked for her. I personally have not tried it yet because of ongoing job hunt and possibility of adrug test.

 

[Groggy]

I quit smoking the herb years ago because of unwanted side effects like nervousness and anxiety. I recently read an article that mentioned chewing a couple peppercorns with your bud and that takes the unwanted side effects away. My wife has a medical card but did not like the extra side effects either, so I had her try that and she said it really worked for her. I personally have not tried it yet because of ongoing job hunt and possibility of adrug test.

I'll PM you my address for that card, you know, for science.

 

[Harry]

I quit smoking the herb years ago because of unwanted side effects like nervousness and anxiety. I recently read an article that mentioned chewing a couple peppercorns with your bud and that takes the unwanted side effects away. My wife has a medical card but did not like the extra side effects either, so I had her try that and she said it really worked for her. I personally have not tried it yet because of ongoing job hunt and possibility of adrug test.

I honestly do not feel any of those effects. I actually Feel anxiety free and less tense when smoking. Like I said get some quality herb from a dispensary that has mostly cbd. And I smoke about twice a day and eat atleast 1 or 2 edibles if that is relevant.

 

[schatz]

Some of us feel the extra negative effects and some dont, we both started feeling it when we were in our late 20s and we just kind of quit smoking it and went more to the alcohol. Now 30 years later and purchaseing through dispensary good quality highest CBD strain material does not help, she said the peppercorns with smoking helped. If you add a little pepper to your tumeric it makes it 2000 times more potent I have been reading, it seems our kava is related to a very beneficial family of plant. I also have some friends that still smoke daily and cannot function without it, I think it just depends on the person. I think I might make some Rick Simpson oil next and see how that does.

 

[Zac Imiola (Herbalist)]

Yes make the rick Simpson oil. That's the best way to ingest it and smoking falls in comparison .
Just make sure to do a few washes .
I quit smoking the other day and I love using my oil still .. it can get you "high" but even the most malevolent strains are pretty fine as a full spectrum oil. I can't imagine how a cbd rich full spectrum oil would be !!
You really feel the benefits from oil , your body reacts with less inflammation right off the bat. You can pm for more help on making it !


Oh ya and the black peppercorns are freaking insanely helpful.

Now why does it help tho ??
Because of terpenes.
The smell good chemicals in cannabis, that because of freak thc levels aren't balanced either.

So we compensate with other herbs that have the same chemicals so we can balance it without getting more thc in the process.

Calamus, black pepper, mangos, lemon grass, eucalyptus, to name a few share terpenes .. hops. There are many more but I can't think of them

 

[schatz]

Yes make the rick Simpson oil. That's the best way to ingest it and smoking falls in comparison .
Just make sure to do a few washes .
I quit smoking the other day and I love using my oil still .. it can get you "high" but even the most malevolent strains are pretty fine as a full spectrum oil. I can't imagine how a cbd rich full spectrum oil would be !!
You really feel the benefits from oil , your body reacts with less inflammation right off the bat. You can pm for more help on making it !


Oh ya and the black peppercorns are freaking insanely helpful.

Now why does it help tho ??
Because of terpenes.
The smell good chemicals in cannabis, that because of freak thc levels aren't balanced either.

So we compensate with other herbs that have the same chemicals so we can balance it without getting more thc in the process.

Calamus, black pepper, mangos, lemon grass, eucalyptus, to name a few share terpenes .. hops. There are many more but I can't think of them

How do you PM I am not that computer or forum savvy. Am very interested inyour techniques and ideas.

 

[Deleted User01]

@schatz, click on the inbox icon on the top on the right side. Then click on conversation. You need a subject and enter the members name as well. I'm sending you one so you can practice.