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Bula Kava House

Portland, OR
Kava Vendor
Kava Bar Owner
Judd, please do not post here anymore on my topics. It is clear that you never read the book that I mentioned in this article, you say that you have seen hundreds of HPLC tests on kava and have never seen tests above 14% when the book proves that they can. I have seen thousands of HPLC tests in my over 30 years in the kava world and I can tell you that they do. You have always disliked me and you still seem to dislike me by the way your comments "seem" antagonistic and your not willing to see the proof. Thank you Judd.

Chris
Chris, I do know that in extremely rare cases, kava can exceed 20% kavalactones. I'm just saying that no kava vendor on this forum, including me, sells or has sold any that high. How about this: You send me a kava that we can send to an independent lab for HPLC testing that will result in 20% or higher. If you do that, I'll profusely apologize and personally write you a check for $1,000 just because. Plus I'd buy some of that awesome kava from you.
 

TheKavaFlow

Kava Podcaster
Chris started a post saying that he didn't claim his kavas were listed as that high. He was being dishonest to forum members. If he had said that he made a mistake and had listed incorrect percentages, that would be different.

Koniak- Yeah, I just said it wasn't noble, so if you experienced some tudei like effects, that doesn't surprise me.
I think you lack basic reading comprehension.

His site said in 2014:
The Mahakea Kava has an average chemotype of 461235 and an average Kavalactone content of 19%.
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This [boroguru] kava tested at 11% total kavalactones and the chemotype is 423651.
Notice how he didn't say that particular batch of Mahakea was tested at 19%? Misleading? Sure, but not lying. He was stating exactly what's been said in the past about Mahakea. The batch of Boroguru on the other hand, was actually tested at 11%. Earlier you told @verticity that he needed to pull from an earlier version of the site to find what you're saying -- but if you can't provide proof of that and still make these baseless claims, you're just as bad as Doug.

Stop antagonizing other vendors; it's against the TOS.
 

Gourmet Hawaiian Kava

Kava Expert
Kava Vendor
Chris started a post saying that he didn't claim his kavas were listed as that high. He was being dishonest to forum members. If he had said that he made a mistake and had listed incorrect percentages, that would be different.

Koniak- Yeah, I just said it wasn't noble, so if you experienced some tudei like effects, that doesn't surprise me.
This is not true Judd, I have always been honest. and again it is not rare to grow kava that is high in kavalactones. I don't care what you think.
You are just like kavasseur trying to cause trouble to me so please stop. I have explained everything, it is not my fault you do not understand or that your looking for things that don't exist. I thought you wanted to try to mend the fences and maybe come over here to see my kava. At this rate it still looks like you have not changed. Remember I asked you to stop posting on my posts.

Chris
 

Gourmet Hawaiian Kava

Kava Expert
Kava Vendor
I'm just going to remind vendors of this located in the terms of service.

"Vendors may not defame, attack, post derogatory information, or provide any negative feedback on other vendors or cause any infringement of fair trade upon other vendors.".
Thank you kapm, @bulakavahouse, please read this.
 

Rick.Sanchez

Kava Enthusiast
Well, I can see some reasonable points on both sides. I think it's very reasonable to doubt GHK ever sold mahakea that averaged 19% KL. It also seems very odd to me that GHK wouldn't let a reputed kava vendor see his farm for fear of kava theft. Do you really think Matt would want to steal your kava? I could think of other reasons to be hesitant, but that seems like a strange reason IMO. You could have also used it as an opportunity to shut up every non-believer once and for all and likely end the allegations, but not letting Matt see your farm is understandably going to add fuel to the conspiracy fire.

I can also see why GHK would be so frustrated by the baseless fraud allegations, and cherry picking one possibly inaccurate claim is very unfair IMO.

This kind of reminds me of Obama's birth certificate. People made some ridiculous allegations that Obama wasn't born in the US. Did Obama come right out and show his birth certificate? No, because the claims were from people ridiculously grasping at straws. But eventually enough people jumped on the wagon that he gave in and showed his birth certificate. However, that still wasn't enough for some people.

I highly doubt GHK has been fraudulently claiming to be a large-scale kava grower. Is it possible? I guess, but there's still no evidence that he doesn't have a kava farm. And I do think Chris's recent actions have given the non-believers a little more ammo.

As for the Mahakea thing, it seems very insignificant IMO. It sounds to me like Chris might have embellished, but his current listings are all accurate afaik and it really seems like nit-picking a vendor for a minor transgression.

At any rate, I love Chris's kava because I love Chris's kava. Even if we lived in a universe where the conspiracy was true, I would still love Chris's kava.

Also want to add that it sounds like Chris was referring to general info he's seen about each strain rather than specific stats about the kava he was selling. Misleading, but certainly not egregious if that's the case
 
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Krunkie McKrunkface

Kava Connoisseur
Even if we lived in a universe where the conspiracy was true, I would still love Chris's kava.
Yup. I've ordered from Judd and from Chris. As long as it's good kava I don't care about the rest. Unless they have so few orders that the competition is cutthroat I don't see any point in this.

"Good kava is good kava is good kava is good kava." - Rrose Selavy
 

Bula Kava House

Portland, OR
Kava Vendor
Kava Bar Owner
Also for the record, although it came off that way, I did not intend to attack @Gourmet Hawaiian Kava with my posts here. So I apologize. I saw a misleading post and wanted to clear up some history. Chris did mislead people as to the kavalactone content of many of his products in the early days. But as others have pointed out, that was a mistake, and it was a long time ago. I can appreciate that his more recent statements, descriptions, and COAs have likely been accurate. I too have made mistakes that I don't want people using to form an opinion of my business now.

As for some of the other claims that have recently arisen, I'll just say that I believe that Chris grows kava. Regarding the scale of his operation? Who knows? He won't show it to me or anybody else apparently, and I've never seen pictures or video of more than a handful of plants. I honestly would love to see a large farm, not strictly because I have doubts or because I'm going to sneak back in the middle of the night and dig them all up. Just because I love kava.
 
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Travis

Kava Enthusiast
According to the kava library which is on the ghk site, it says the "average kavalactone content" for each of his kavas. I understand that just because the papa kea says average is 22% that doesn't mean every harvest is a guaranteed 22%. I don't really understand the problem. I've tried quite a few of his kavas, along with most of the ones higher in KL %. Now I'm not a kavaficinado or a walking kava lab, but I would have to say that a few of his kavas are fairly high in KL %.
As Chris would say, he grows the best kava, I've had his kava and I believe him.
 

Gourmet Hawaiian Kava

Kava Expert
Kava Vendor
The reluctance to show pictures is filling the room with smoke.

I like ghk product, but the secrecy is beginning to make me rethink things because I like my vendors to be transparent. That's just my opinion.
@Ricardo Piquant What do you mean my reluctance to show pictures. Since I have joined the forums that is one of the things I have done a lot of.
I have showed many pictures of my kava, my farms and my huge kava being harvested by my workers and I. The smoke is created by Kavasseur and Bula kava house, these are false allegations that either of them have shown no proof of, yet I show pictures and I still get reamed. I have never been secret. Even before all this stuff that Kavasseur started, there had been many kava forum members that have been here to see me and my kava, just because I show my kava farm here and not any of my others is no reason to say that I am hiding things. My reputations over the 30+ years I have been in kava is clear to the Kava experts here in Hawaii and abroad. I do not need to defend myself for what I have been doing so well for so long! This sickens me that kavasseur can make these videos with all these wild false allegations and then says he is not going to provide any proof because he does not want to, yet I have and will continue to post pictures and videos, I have some on youtube from long ago that shows one of my farms were I grow only Moi and Mahakea. That is why I made this post, so I can defend myself and let everyone know how wrong he is and that I am going to make my own videos detailing how wrong kavasseur is with all that he says in his videos and blog and facebook. If you never saw any of my pictures then I am sorry, that does not mean that I am reluctant or secretive.

Chris
 

Gourmet Hawaiian Kava

Kava Expert
Kava Vendor
Chris did mislead people as to the kavalactone content of many of his products in the early days.
No I did not mislead anyone, this is all in your mind, I have tried to explain but you just can't wrap your mind around it. I am sorry that you can't seem to understand but that is your problem not mine. You and Kavasseur have yet to provide proof, I have addressed the kavalactone issue and explained everything. I will address all the other false allegations against me later in my videos.

Chris
 

SelfBiasResistor

Persist for Resistance!
The easiest way to put this to rest would be to show the locations of the farms, especially to someone who has an audience and can be trusted to verify. It's weird that the burden of proof is being put on the people questioning the existence. I have bought a lot of kava from GHK but I would like to know more about where it grows. It would also be great if each batch had a farm code to let us know which area it came from. There is always a variance from batch to batch and it would help in making decisions on which one to buy.
 

Gourmet Hawaiian Kava

Kava Expert
Kava Vendor
The easiest way to put this to rest would be to show the locations of the farms, especially to someone who has an audience and can be trusted to verify. It's weird that the burden of proof is being put on the people questioning the existence. I have bought a lot of kava from GHK but I would like to know more about where it grows. It would also be great if each batch had a farm code to let us know which area it came from. There is always a variance from batch to batch and it would help in making decisions on which one to buy.
@SelfBiasResistor No that is not the easiest way, the easy way is to ignore what kavasseur has falsely alleged. There is plenty of kava at my home farm for everyone to see. And your welcome to come and see it. I said it before and I will say it again, I have posted many pictures and I have sold to many companies from 25+ years ago, why would I be the President of the Hawaii Awa Council or why would I have been invited to speak at the 2016 international kava conference. I have proven myself, this has all come up just because of kavasseur. I have been in the forefront of the kava world for 30+ years and I have a great reputation and now because of some false allegations from Kavasseuer it seems that my reputation has never been established. Well NEWS FLASH, my reputation has already been established. I am sorry that you do not like the fact that I do not take everyone to all my farms but that is the way it is. Accept it or not, it is up to you. I know what I do and so do many other people tons more people than the minority that believe what Kavasseur says about me.

Chris
 

Ricardo Piquant

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@Ricardo Piquant What do you mean my reluctance to show pictures. Since I have joined the forums that is one of the things I have done a lot of.
I have showed many pictures of my kava, my farms and my huge kava being harvested by my workers and I. The smoke is created by Kavasseur and Bula kava house, these are false allegations that either of them have shown no proof of, yet I show pictures and I still get reamed. I have never been secret. Even before all this stuff that Kavasseur started, there had been many kava forum members that have been here to see me and my kava, just because I show my kava farm here and not any of my others is no reason to say that I am hiding things. My reputations over the 30+ years I have been in kava is clear to the Kava experts here in Hawaii and abroad. I do not need to defend myself for what I have been doing so well for so long! This sickens me that kavasseur can make these videos with all these wild false allegations and then says he is not going to provide any proof because he does not want to, yet I have and will continue to post pictures and videos, I have some on youtube from long ago that shows one of my farms were I grow only Moi and Mahakea. That is why I made this post, so I can defend myself and let everyone know how wrong he is and that I am going to make my own videos detailing how wrong kavasseur is with all that he says in his videos and blog and facebook. If you never saw any of my pictures then I am sorry, that does not mean that I am reluctant or secretive.

Chris
Forget about kavasseur. This is now about informing your customers. Frankly, I am not liking this "my way or highway" perspective you're taking with your customers. Don't get me wrong, that's ur right and u can run your business anyway you want. But I don't like this approach. I say that as a real customer with no nefarious purpose and no hidden agenda. All I can do is vote with my wallet, and that's about it
 

Gourmet Hawaiian Kava

Kava Expert
Kava Vendor
Forget about kavasseur. This is now about informing your customers. Frankly, I am not liking this "my way or highway" perspective you're taking with your customers. Don't get me wrong, that's ur right and u can run your business anyway you want. But I don't like this approach. I say that as a real customer with no nefarious purpose and no hidden agenda. All I can do is vote with my wallet, and that's about it
That is your right to do so. I don't force people to buy my kava, I did not set out to be considered among the best kava vendors, this happens when you grow a great product, and I have always grown and provided the best kava I could. My product and past and present speaks for itself.
I have a great product and people like it. I don't know what proof your looking, I have been honest and my reputation, and achievements in the kava world for over 30 years shows that. Aloha.

Chris
 
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