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YogaNatureLvr

Kava Enthusiast
I do think it's a shame, though, @Kavasseur , that you won't review GHK products. I know that you love KWK Pouni Ono and PK Premium Blend no. 7, as do I. I think you would find GHK Mahakea and Nene at least equal, if not better, in taste, and would probably also enjoy GHK Moi, Hiwa and Hanakapi'ai in effect. No harm in trying them. To me, they are as potent as anything else I've tried, and are more delicious than most kavas out there.
 
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Deleted User01

@YogaNatureLvr, in the Wikipedia, there are tons of kava reviews from ordinary members like you and I. Why don't you do a review of one of your favorites kavas. I'm not a professional kava reviewer so I really enjoy reviews from regular members. You don't have to wax poetic or anything like that. Just tell it like it is. I'm sure @Gourmet Hawaiian Kava would appreciate that.
 

kasa_balavu

Yaqona Dina
I have been taking the tests into account in my reviews. My goal is to get the most information as possible across to help people make personal decisions.
This is not true for the last video I watched. You didn't "take the tests into account"; you merely brought them up so that you could discard them in your next breath.

Taking them into account would be saying "this kava has been confirmed as adulterated with tudei. The vendor is passing off noble kava as tudei. Now watch what such bullshit labelling deserves"...
* throws package into the trash, then brings it back out so he can stomp on it a few times. Pours gasoline over it and sets it alight. Puts out the fire with a stream of well-aimed piss. Looks straight into camera*
Yells "TRUTH IN LABELLING!!!!!"
* Fade to black *
 
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Deleted User01

@kasa_balavu and @Kavasseur, I always thought that it would be cool if his reviews had a short printed summary and if he was aligned with True Kava. Something like this:
ABC Kava is a delightfully heady kava with nuances of almond and cinnamon. A perfect Kava for consumption right before your Mother in Law's Birthday Party. True Kava gave it the following rating (and then he could show the test results).
 

wormwood

Kava Enthusiast
You know I'm not even really too bothered about if tudei is available for sale or not just as long as everything is labelled as it should be. I don't think known tudei kavas being for sale is the problem, the problem is the adulteration and passing off of a mixture of non noble kavas as pure noble. I understand that there are difficulties involved in this such as farmers bundling together any old kava they can to fulfil a shipment but I believe in time that sort of issue can be dealt with by education and market pressure.

At the end of the day I don't think it is the availability or not of tudei kava that will ultimately have an effect on the kava industry, the real problems for the future are if the industry itself can't sort out the problem of adulteration and/or poor labelling.
This is it totally. People should have the RIGHT to buy and consume tudei, just like marijuana, if they wish, and have the RIGHT to know that their product does not contain tudei, if that is their wish. I would alter my stance on this if I were to begin to understand that tudei was VERY toxic, as this could then cause problems for the kava community as a whole as the dumb general public would begin to ostracize ALL kava as a result. Bottom line, I know very little about the science supporting or denying the toxicity of tudei. I want to learn more.
 

wormwood

Kava Enthusiast
@sakahs I've stated elsewhere that I no longer want to argue about this. I want to contribute to a peaceful community here.

So to give my final thoughts on the subject, I will propose that you look at the research for yourself and see whether Tudei has been proven to be unhealthy. Do a comparison of a three-beer-a-day habit to a three-shell-a-day habit of Tudei. Look at the kind of damage drinking alcohol does to one's liver.

@Deleted User , for the sake of this forum and everyone who participates, I am not going to respond to any more of your comments. Best of luck with True Kava
If GHK starts a thread with evidence of the dangers of tudei kava I would STRONGLY urge that you respond with your ideas and or rebuttals. I'm sure this can be done in a kind and respectful way and would help us get closer to the truth. Respectful and friendly debate is crucial in our understanding of things in the scientific world. Not arguing, debating.
 
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Deleted User01

@wormwood and fellow members. I agree with you that everyone has the right to consume Tudei and without their fellow members castigating them. I have always said this. I also believe that it is not Chris's place to talk about the dangers of Tudei because there are scientists like Dr. Lebot who have already done research and we need to study the research done by the scientists. Chris has read the research and agrees with it and he has told us this many times. Other Noble vendors like Chris, have said the same. From what I hear, there will be more information forthcoming to help the members deal with this issue and so they can make their own decision based on facts and not based on the disinformation campaign we witnessed the other day.

Right now, True Kava is promoting "truth in advertising" by making sure the members know if they are getting Tudei or not. So that is being dealt with and some of the vendors are unhappy with that. As I stated earlier, if they would label their own Kava more appropriately, then True Kava would be out of a job.

Bide your time fellow members, this is a long term project and I to am hungry for more facts. But I need them to be short and to the point because I do believe that I have a short attention span. :LOL:
 

Gourmet Hawaiian Kava

Kava Expert
Kava Vendor
@wormwood and fellow members. I agree with you that everyone has the right to consume Tudei and without their fellow members castigating them. I have always said this. I also believe that it is not Chris's place to talk about the dangers of Tudei because there are scientists like Dr. Lebot who have already done research and we need to study the research done by the scientists. Chris has read the research and agrees with it and he has told us this many times. Other Noble vendors like Chris, have said the same. From what I hear, there will be more information forthcoming to help the members deal with this issue and so they can make their own decision based on facts and not based on the disinformation campaign we witnessed the other day.

Right now, True Kava is promoting "truth in advertising" by making sure the members know if they are getting Tudei or not. So that is being dealt with and some of the vendors are unhappy with that. As I stated earlier, if they would label their own Kava more appropriately, then True Kava would be out of a job.

Bide your time fellow members, this is a long term project and I to am hungry for more facts. But I need them to be short and to the point because I do believe that I have a short attention span. :LOL:
Yes, please stay tuned. Th th th that's not all folks. :ROFLMAO::sneaky:
Aloha.

Chris
 
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Deleted User01

Yes, please stay tuned. Th th th that's not all folks. :ROFLMAO::sneaky:
Aloha. Chris
Ah stop it already Chris. Your such a tease :rolleyes:... you old shadowy figure you. By the way, now that we are on the subject of top secret and need to know projects, how is that "special Blend" coming along. When @Gourmet Hawaiian Kava starts bragging about "you ain't seen nothing yet" it usually means we are going to be seeing something yet. Heh, heh, heh. :sneaky: I just let the cat out of the bag so we can change the subject. :D
 

YogaNatureLvr

Kava Enthusiast
@YogaNatureLvr, in the Wikipedia, there are tons of kava reviews from ordinary members like you and I. Why don't you do a review of one of your favorites kavas. I'm not a professional kava reviewer so I really enjoy reviews from regular members. You don't have to wax poetic or anything like that. Just tell it like it is. I'm sure @Gourmet Hawaiian Kava would appreciate that.
OK, review of Nene on the way! With Mahakea soon to follow!::tanoa::
 

Edward

Aluballin' in the UK
Kava Vendor
This is not true for the last video I watched. You didn't "take the tests into account"; you merely brought them up so that you could discard them in your next breath.

Taking them into account would be saying "this kava has been confirmed as adulterated with tudei. The vendor is passing off noble kava as tudei. Now watch what such bullshit labelling deserves"...
* throws package into the trash, then brings it back out so he can stomp on it a few times. Pours gasoline over it and sets it alight. Puts out the fire with a stream of well-aimed piss. Looks straight into camera*
Yells "TRUTH IN LABELLING!!!!!"
* Fade to black *
I understand what you are saying and why you are saying it but the most important thing is that this is discussed in the review. Anyone who watches the reviews now will at least know that the kava being reviewed is either tested as fully noble, fully tudei or a blend of the two. The fact is that Doug is going to continue to review kava without giving a hoot whether it is tested fully noble or not but at least now it's being discussed.
 

kasa_balavu

Yaqona Dina
... at least now it's being discussed.
I'm just not so sure that that's a good thing.

If I (or any other random Joe Schmuck) made a review video and said that I didn't care that it was tudei, that would be fine. But when someone as popular as @Kavasseur does it, it gives noobs the impression that tudei kava isn't really a big deal at all.

No knowledge at all might be better than the knowledge that there is this thing called tudei, and it's completely unimportant according to this seemingly very well informed, popular, and trusted kava reviewer.

I wish he'd say something like:
"this kava has a subtle cashew flavour and has been shown to be tudei. Now you all know I love tudei and consider it a great kava, but if you're new to kava, this might not be the kava for you. Tudei kava can have some pretty strong next-day effects so I recommend you enjoy it on a Friday night."
 

Edward

Aluballin' in the UK
Kava Vendor
Ok, he doesn't always use those exact words but that's the message with the new reviews. Surely it must be a better situation than before when the reviews didn't even mention noble/tudei. I agree that there will always be some noobs who hear the words noble and tudei and don't think to examine this further but most people will.

Actually Doug, if you are reading this, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to have a few simple lines explaining the differences between noble and tudei on the blog, it would clear up the above.
 

Edward

Aluballin' in the UK
Kava Vendor
Ok, I know you have done a video about noble/tudei but it doesn't necessarily mention the rights/wrongs/ups/downs/highs/lows/whatever of the issue.
 

wormwood

Kava Enthusiast
@wormwood and fellow members. I agree with you that everyone has the right to consume Tudei and without their fellow members castigating them. I have always said this. I also believe that it is not Chris's place to talk about the dangers of Tudei because there are scientists like Dr. Lebot who have already done research and we need to study the research done by the scientists. :LOL:
I like what you say and I agree with you on this topic, but if Chris knows and is familiar with the research done on the topic, then he should definitely post about it. You're not saying he shouldn't post about the science he's familiar with are you?
 

Gourmet Hawaiian Kava

Kava Expert
Kava Vendor
I like what you say and I agree with you on this topic, but if Chris knows and is familiar with the research done on the topic, then he should definitely post about it. You're not saying he shouldn't post about the science he's familiar with are you?
No he is not saying that I should not post this information, most of it has already been posted by me or other kava forum members. I will work on a post that will have all the studies in one place, just give me some time. Aloha.

Chris
 
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