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verticity

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I also think when you mention not being a cannabis smoker, and still voted for it is a powerful statement. I feel something like that to hard headed people would cause discomfort. "You aren't a stoner but want there to be lazy goofs? How?"

If you snorted coke I'd still respect your opinion. Don't know if that means anything, but I'd place value on people who care what you have to say pot smoker or not.
I don't snort Coke, either. I drink it like a normal person. :sneaky: But I know what you mean. I would tend to be suspicious of anything said to me by someone who I knew was an active heroin or meth (or cocaine) addict, for example, simply due nature of those addictions and the ways they can change people
 

verticity

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Verticity, your post made me remember some things that concerned me. I am extremely concerned about how this affects the youth, particularly with mixed messages of society. Yes we are moving toward tolerance and understanding, but this transition is not going to be a comfortable one. Teens today are living in a world where all the media and even community might be telling them, mj is safe, better than drinking, even socially acceptable etc. So they talk about it in public, post about it on Facebook... Next thing you know they've crossed a fine line and have a criminal record. And they look back at the community and scratch their heads. And god forbid they belong to a minority group. White kids smoking weed is apparently more forgivable than black or hispanic kids. It makes me shake my head.

Thankfully kava does not have the same history of intolerance. If only we could get the kids of today/tomorrow to choose kava over all the drugs and alcohol::kavaleaf::
I know what you mean. One of the numerous reasons I don't smoke mj is that I wouldn't want my young kid to see it and think it was just something everyone does. If she decides to experiment with it when she is an adult I'm OK with that, but she won't become interested in it because of me..
 

VictoryRider

Kava Enthusiast
When I started drinking kava, I had a heck of a time trying to convince my wife I was not turning into some gutter-laying
junkie. I kept turning her objections back to her substituting the word 'kava' for 'alcohol' or 'coffee', plus I kept re-iterating
that kava has been used for over 3000 years, is less harmful to the body than alcohol, does no societal damage at all,
etc.

She came around. She's OK with it now, but even to this day every once in a while it comes up again. I think her biggest sticking
point is that alcoholic beverages have good flavor, whereas kava does not. Why drink it if it tastes bad? For the effect???
That seems wrong! Here we go again. :)

I really wish she'd join me in a few shells. I know she'd love the effect. She's tasted it before, and, no
freaking way.
 

Edward

Aluballin' in the UK
Kava Vendor
When I started drinking kava, I had a heck of a time trying to convince my wife I was not turning into some gutter-laying
junkie. I kept turning her objections back to her substituting the word 'kava' for 'alcohol' or 'coffee', plus I kept re-iterating
that kava has been used for over 3000 years, is less harmful to the body than alcohol, does no societal damage at all,
etc.

She came around. She's OK with it now, but even to this day every once in a while it comes up again. I think her biggest sticking
point is that alcoholic beverages have good flavor, whereas kava does not. Why drink it if it tastes bad? For the effect???
That seems wrong! Here we go again. :)

I really wish she'd join me in a few shells. I know she'd love the effect. She's tasted it before, and, no
freaking way.
My wife took a while to come round but slowly she is getting there although she still thinks I am a degenerate drug user. I doubt she'll ever even try kava which is fine with me.
 
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Guys, I keep my Kava "Habit" to myself for some damn reason but I'm glorified when I show off my bottles of Single Malt Scotch. But I'm seeing more and more people come into this forum and the article about the Kava Bar was encouraging. It ignited a bunch of interest. I think that Kava is slowly going to become mainstream ... painfully slow. And the legalization of MJ may just help put Kava in the spotlight as a way less powerful drug that can get you "mildly stoned", aka. relaxed. You'll know it when you find a stash of Kava under your teenagers bed.
 

verticity

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My wife accepts my kava use, but doesn't really approve of it. Her attitude is like, 'well if you are using it for anxiety, why don't you just ask your psychiatrist for something that won't turn you into a lizard?..' Nooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!! First of all, it's not just for anxiety, it's for fun as well. And the dermo isn't really as scary as it looks... It doesn't itch or anything... If you found the perfect thing or whatever for yourself but it had the side effect of turning you into the Creature from the Black Lagoon, I wouldn't care. Really, dear, I wouldn't.
 

LunaKava

Kava Vendor
My wife took a while to come round but slowly she is getting there although she still thinks I am a degenerate drug user. I doubt she'll ever even try kava which is fine with me.
I am always trying to introduce people to kava who have never had it, especially when I come upon a conversation where someone has a medical condition that could be eased with the use of kava and maybe even eliminate the pharm drugs they are taking. After I describe what kava is it usually comes down to the person thinking kava is 100x more dangerous than any pharm drug that their doctor prescribes. If I tell people I drink kava almost daily I am usually viewed as a stereotypical stoner or degenerate without them even knowing anything about me, even though it would be ok for me to drink alcohol on a regular basis which I don't and have not in many years. In my opinion most of these issues arise with poor education on drug use in US society, we just try to still preach a just say no mentality and teach children and adults alike that drugs some drugs are much more harmful than they actually are. Many individuals don't even think the drugs that they take are actually "drugs" alcohol, caffeine, nicotine etc.
 
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That's funny @verticity . My wife doesn't approve or disapprove. It's better than me being zonked on booze. But here's a funny story. Maybe 15 or 20 years ago, I was having a lot of stress, anxiety, and stomach problems. The Doc referred me to a shrink so I went. The son of a bitch shrink questioned me endlessly and finally decided that my wife was the cause of my anxiety. :LOL: Perhaps he had seen one too many cases of that. I said, "Sounds good to me". She was pissed! Anyway, she never tells me to see a shrink. In reality, it was work related but I didn't know how to handle it. How would I handle it now? With kava and my new motto, "F__k'em and feed'em beans".
 
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@Jerome, get well wishes to your dad. At night, I always say a prayer to "the creator" for a "good day" whoever he/she may or may not be. I'll mention "Jerome's Dad". Can't hurt.
P.S. A "good day" is every day that I'm still alive on earth and my family is well and healthy. Can't take that for granted.
 

Squanch72

Kava Vendor
I have some good friends that were too open with their drug vices in front of their kids when they were growing up. Dad is a functional alcoholic and Mom is psychologically dependent on mj and hooked on opiates and both smoke. Needless to say there house always seems to be party central. Now the children are mid-twenties, both are smokers, have dui's, and drug arrests and Mom is really spiralling down the opiate worm hole. I am trying to get them all on Kava. They like it but it's not bull moose kick strong enough to win their overindulgent hearts over. I think they should of kept their vices better hidden. And I flaunt Kava because I want my kid to see that is fine and fun and hopefully he will try that and be happy with that when he is older.
 
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verticity

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I am always trying to introduce people to kava who have never had it, especially when I come upon a conversation where someone has a medical condition that could be eased with the use of kava and maybe even eliminate the pharm drugs they are taking. After I describe what kava is it usually comes down to the person thinking kava is 100x more dangerous than any pharm drug that their doctor prescribes. If I tell people I drink kava almost daily I am usually viewed as a stereotypical stoner or degenerate without them even knowing anything about me, even though it would be ok for me to drink alcohol on a regular basis which I don't and have not in many years. In my opinion most of these issues arise with poor education on drug use in US society, we just try to still preach a just say no mentality and teach children and adults alike that drugs some drugs are much more harmful than they actually are. Many individuals don't even think the drugs that they take are actually "drugs" alcohol, caffeine, nicotine etc.
Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention I haven't drank alcohol for the past 20 or so years. I just mention that not because I want to be congratulated for my sobriety (I don't--seriously it annoys the fuck out of me--'Congratulations on abstaining from something that you figured out a long time ago was poison for you!', 'Oh, thanks, congratulations on your 35 years living cyanide-free!') I mention it because I don't want anyone to think I am some kind of drunkard just because I drink liquids that are non-alcoholic. lol.
 

verticity

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Two Things.
First off, @Veritcity, Congratulations on being poison free. It takes both a big man and a smart man to get off the hooch and I see a lot of very intelligent people here at the forum who are looking for a better way and succeeding.
To paraphrase the customary greeting at AA meetings: "Fuck you, Deleted User01!"
%&^(((((
That odd punctuation is known as the "joke mark" indicating that this is a joke.
See, it's a joke because I had just said how much I don't like being congratulated for not drinking, and then he congratulated me. Funny. Ha. Ha. :LOL: <-- "Laugh" icon that is hard to tell it is a "Laugh" icon
 
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Edward

Aluballin' in the UK
Kava Vendor
Two Things.
First off, @Veritcity, Congratulations on being poison free. It takes both a big man and a smart man to get off the hooch and I see a lot of very intelligent people here at the forum who are looking for a better way and succeeding.

@Squanch72, yes indeed, us oldsters have to finally figure out that we can no longer do stuff that is bull moose strong. Honestly, I have noticed that I have no tolerance for alcohol or drugs and I made a fool out of myself at a wedding (too much wine) before I realized that. Damn, I learn everything the hard way. Honestly, Kava is as stoned as I want to be. It's like the perfect "dose" of stoneiness for me. And it is so helpful not to have a hangover in the morning and to have clarity of mind all day long. It is financially healthy to be that way too.
I spent years making a fool of myself on a fairly regular basis. It's funny to think that when you are drunk you don't seem to remember or care about anything and don't have any boundaries with actions or speech but if you see a drunk person when you are sober it's really frightening to watch. I'm slowly getting to the point where my residual cravings for alcohol are diminishing rapidly and my wife has agreed to let me drink kava every other time I see her. I can see my life getting better all the time as a result of kava, no hangovers, no foolishness and as you say, better for your wallet!
 
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