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Adam
Just looking at it from judds and some others vendors who have a vested interests point of view
Guess I'll probably commence to mouth shutting then. It seems to have served the other vendors well. Again, I'm looking forward to your testing results. I think they'll be good for business and along with my posted results will do the bragging for me.
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Adam
I hope so. I love a nice flashy website when buying products (must be a mug, haha)that's why I bought from you in the first place, great website!! Shame the fu'u isn't there now I'm through the reverse tolerance, was some easy drinking grog
violet
Do all things with love
I think when it comes to research the more groups there are running tests, the better picture we will have of what we are looking at with test results. The entire basis of the scientific method to employ methods that will allow to replicate results with repeated tests. HPLC, and it would appear also that solvent testing, does just that. If a 6-year old child drops a spoonful of sodium bicarbonate into an acetic acid solution at the kitchen table, the results would be the same as if a PhD researcher drops a spoonful of sodium bicarbonate into an acetic acid solution in a clean room in a research facility with expensive equipment.
Equipment that was complex years ago is less complex and more available now. I can't discount what Deleted User is doing because he gets referred to as "amateur" and doesn't have the high tech research lab of an established facility. I don't think anyone is saying the certified labs that Judd is using are inferior to Deleted User's testing. The questions are coming because test results are not matching to what the expected results should be. We've spent a lot of time tearing away at the solvent test, I think it will be awesome to have HPLC results to go with each solvent test. While Deleted User isn't using a dedicated, professional lab I can't imagine his HPLC and solvent test results are going to be so inaccurate that we should not give them consideration.
Equipment that was complex years ago is less complex and more available now. I can't discount what Deleted User is doing because he gets referred to as "amateur" and doesn't have the high tech research lab of an established facility. I don't think anyone is saying the certified labs that Judd is using are inferior to Deleted User's testing. The questions are coming because test results are not matching to what the expected results should be. We've spent a lot of time tearing away at the solvent test, I think it will be awesome to have HPLC results to go with each solvent test. While Deleted User isn't using a dedicated, professional lab I can't imagine his HPLC and solvent test results are going to be so inaccurate that we should not give them consideration.
HeadHodge
Bula To Eternity
I totally think it's appropriate for the AKA to not disclose the results of testing from those who have asked for tests. But I do think that vendors who have had their products tested should post the results on their respective websites. AND I think we (as consumers) should demand vendors to test and display the results of their tests. It just boil downs to wanting to know what I am getting for my money.
I'm the same way about websites. I look at them as a sign of professionalism, and there really is usually a correlation. Have you seen our new one? It's real purty!
As for the Fu'u, we're having a hard time getting it again. Supplier is a little flaky. Try the new Melo Melo. Super smooth. Someone posted a comment about that on our subforum recently.
HeadHodge
Bula To Eternity
I'm not buying kava from anyone unless I get a free toaster....
Yep, ours will be made public on our website, just without the proprietary information.
@violet I'm not discrediting Deleted User's hplc testing at all, although doing it correctly, from what I understand isn't something easily learned, which is why it's trained scientists who have been using that equipment for the most part. Deleted User seems like a smart dude though. I'm sure he'll be able to learn. If and when certain other tests are 100% verified, I won't have anything negative to say about those either. I honestly look forward to results.
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HeadHodge
Bula To Eternity
Yes!!! Right On. If someone claims they can create cold fusion, everyone should be able to create cold fusion.
HeadHodge
Bula To Eternity
Sure that's fine, because it's the members decision, not AKA.
Which is why I stated that I'm sure you can learn.
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Adam
This is very true Deleted User, I was recently given the job of testing and repairing some bits of kit with 10 grand a piece, the test equipment is quite fancy but all I was doing was following a methodical set of instructions wrote down in front of me then usin my own prior fault finding skills to solve and fix the problem. Someone from the outside may say that a person tampering with that kind of equipment needs letters after their name, which u really don't and I don't but Im more than capable
Tyler
Kava Vendor
Imagine if I told the forum that the AKA is going to operate a used HPLC machine at my house, that I am currently learning how to use it properly and that this will be the method used to test everyones kava for the AKA. lol with the amount of BS that we have dealt using credentialed botanical labs.... I can only imagine how much crap we would have to hear about, you guys would laugh us out of the atmosphere. Gotta love the double standard on here lol. I cant even get my feathers ruffled over it anymore its so blatent.
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HeadHodge
Bula To Eternity
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Adam
That's the thing isn't it, we have standards for a reason and in my line of work we have to go on course after course to prove that we are suitably qualified, experienced persons for every little task we do. Standards change constantly , along with the way we should or should not do things, the whole point of being qualified and experienced in a task is so that everybody knows nothing has been missed in the process, not through fault of wanting to do the right thing just through fault by not having the very up to date training and information regarding, law, guidelines, safety and resources available
verticity
I'm interested in things
Well, there is a double standard, because the testing the AKA and Deleted User are doing are really 2 different things. The AKA is a small group of vendors who are testing their kava (before selling it, one would hope), using certified labs, approved standards, everything by the book. And I'm really glad that you are doing that, and wish that more in the business would do so. Because you are in business. Deleted User, on the other hand, is one enthusiastic guy, doing post-consumer testing. Someone buys some kava from an unknown vendor, with scant information about it, and they send it to him, who tests it with the equipment available to him as best he can. For free, I might add. Deleted User to me represents consumers defending themselves, and empowering themselves, and that to me is a good thing. He has never claimed to be a certified, professional botanical lab, but that is not the point. He represents the little guys, and I think what he is doing has already proven valuable as a goad to you big guys to improve your quality control.
Tyler
Kava Vendor
Agreed.
To clarify, Im not knocking Deleted User at all with that post, Im knocking the fact that there is a pretty blatent double standard from those few who have done everything in their power to cast doubt on the validity of our tests and the legitimacy of our intentions. These few, even when provided with overwhelming amounts of raw data on our exhaustive testing protocols, go so far as to call Lab Directors and waste their time, say that even the most qualified labs are totally worthless, and even outright call into question our member's integrity... Only to follow this sort of critcism up with placing someone who has yet to run a single HPLC, among the ranks of Lebot. Its absolutely mind numbing.
To clarify, Im not knocking Deleted User at all with that post, Im knocking the fact that there is a pretty blatent double standard from those few who have done everything in their power to cast doubt on the validity of our tests and the legitimacy of our intentions. These few, even when provided with overwhelming amounts of raw data on our exhaustive testing protocols, go so far as to call Lab Directors and waste their time, say that even the most qualified labs are totally worthless, and even outright call into question our member's integrity... Only to follow this sort of critcism up with placing someone who has yet to run a single HPLC, among the ranks of Lebot. Its absolutely mind numbing.