HeadHodge
Bula To Eternity
3 with different times of sonification (30, 60, 120 minutes) and regular 55 micron filter straining with light second wash.
3 with different time of sonification in a 70 micron steel basket with no straining. (I'll probably strain it anyways after I separate the samples first).
One thing I noticed, is that I could never get the sonifier to get the water temp much over 100 F or so (so I'm wondering if it's working with both transducers properly). What was your experience with temperature?
Bwiggy
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Hi guys - @HeadHodge - did you complete your test and send samples off? Just wondering what happened.
I tried a sonic jewelry cleaner with a metal container and plastic basket, and I placed the filter bag of kava in that. I ran the cleaner for about 10 minutes then did about 5 min. of kneading. I'd say I got decent results but could be better.
I tried a sonic jewelry cleaner with a metal container and plastic basket, and I placed the filter bag of kava in that. I ran the cleaner for about 10 minutes then did about 5 min. of kneading. I'd say I got decent results but could be better.
HeadHodge
Bula To Eternity
It's on my todo list, because I think it has lot's of promise. But right now my CPU is maxed out on finishing my new review finder I'm writing. When I get focused, everything else goes by the wayside. It's the secret to my successes in life, but it's also a curse.
I will definitely give you updates when I get back to it.
Bwiggy
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Perfect, thanks, @HeadHodge.
Also, what about adding freezing to the mix of test results - to see if it improves KL release by 10% or less or More!? If more, it's such an easy thing to do...
No need to reply, up to you.
Another factor I would Love to see put to the test is how the presence of fluoride affects KL release. Fluoride is known to inactivate at least 62 enzymes and inhibit more than 100.
Just thinking out loud.
Also, for some reason, I received an email when you responded. It's the only email notification I've ever received on this forum.
Also, what about adding freezing to the mix of test results - to see if it improves KL release by 10% or less or More!? If more, it's such an easy thing to do...
No need to reply, up to you.
Another factor I would Love to see put to the test is how the presence of fluoride affects KL release. Fluoride is known to inactivate at least 62 enzymes and inhibit more than 100.
Just thinking out loud.
Also, for some reason, I received an email when you responded. It's the only email notification I've ever received on this forum.
Bwiggy
I like plants
Hi @Deleted User
Curious how you established 24 min. as the optimal time for sonification? Testing different times?
Many thanks for bringing the science!
I assume you did the sonification for the same amount of time ?
Curious how you established 24 min. as the optimal time for sonification? Testing different times?
Many thanks for bringing the science!
Bwiggy
I like plants
Hi @HeadHodge - I know nothing of that sort of thing, but am definitely intrigued. I look forward to hearing all about it!!!
I sent 5 samples of Borongoru to @Deleted User a while back. I was hoping to test:
1. Does lecithin improve extraction?
2. Does freezing soaked kava release more kavalactones via cell disruption?
To that end I sent:
1. Borongoru dry powder.
2. Borongoru with tradtional prep with lecithin.
3. Borongoru with traditional prep without lecithin.
4. Frozen and then room-temperature thawed Borongoru without lecithin.
5. Frozen and then microwave oven thawed Borongoru without lecithin.
I was curious also whether microwaving soaked kava would cause additional cell disruption over just freezing it.
TK Group Labs has been busy Fighting the Good Fight with other samples, but mine are prepped and waiting a run. Deleted User reassures me that he'll get to them, so we may get some data, here.
Bwiggy
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@Steve Mariotti , I'd love to see the results. I'll keep my eye out. New thread, do you think?
I bet we won't see any difference with the lecithin - it's power is in digestive absorption, promoting absorption, much like ginger and cayenne pepper would.
I bet we won't see any difference with the lecithin - it's power is in digestive absorption, promoting absorption, much like ginger and cayenne pepper would.
If that's the case, then adding the lecithin at the end would make the most sense, not at the beginning and before straining. Was I doing that wrong? I thought the lecithin was dissolved in the warm water before adding the root.
I may mix up some in a small amount of hot water and add it to the brewed kava and see how that goes.
Bwiggy
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From what I understand, lecithin assists the body in breaking down the kavalactones. I can't find the original reference for this, but on page 57 of Leblon's book, the importance of lecithin is mentioned for absorbtion. "The active substances..... become available to the drinker after emulsification."
Also, "this explains why the kava drink prepared by grinding or pounding rootstock often has less psychological effect than that finely chewed emulsified rootstock."
I'm only interested in the emulsification, not pre-mastication....
So, @Steve Mariotti, it would seem that adding the lecithin to the kava mix as the final step before drinking would make the most sense. Also, it seems that
it is not expected to affect the extraction prior to digestion.....except that it makes it really difficult to knead when it's mixed with kava. that was super not fun to discover.
I came across this "it’s important not to heat your water beyond 140 degrees Fahrenheit because the root’s active kavalactones have been shown to break down at temperatures higher than this." That's way below boiling. How do you get your water this hot, but not hotter?
Also, "this explains why the kava drink prepared by grinding or pounding rootstock often has less psychological effect than that finely chewed emulsified rootstock."
I'm only interested in the emulsification, not pre-mastication....
So, @Steve Mariotti, it would seem that adding the lecithin to the kava mix as the final step before drinking would make the most sense. Also, it seems that
it is not expected to affect the extraction prior to digestion.....except that it makes it really difficult to knead when it's mixed with kava. that was super not fun to discover.
I came across this "it’s important not to heat your water beyond 140 degrees Fahrenheit because the root’s active kavalactones have been shown to break down at temperatures higher than this." That's way below boiling. How do you get your water this hot, but not hotter?
I just mix tap water with kettle water and jab my finger in there. If I can keep it there, I'm good.
HeadHodge
Bula To Eternity
Curious..... How did you send the samples. A transport tube or ????
Bwiggy
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@Steve Mariotti - Thanks, Steve. I'm going to have to find a way to be more rigorous about the temp in the water.
Just bagged it all up in ziploc baggies and put them all in a big ziploc baggie and sent in a padded shipping envelope.
Bwiggy
I like plants
What do you think about this as a first generation "kava machine?"
You can control the temp and time easily.
Once it completes a cycle, then knead for five minutes and add it to a mix of lecithin + a bit of ginger (for digestion and taste) + maybe a bit of fat of some kind (coconut oil, milk whatever).
You can control the temp and time easily.
Once it completes a cycle, then knead for five minutes and add it to a mix of lecithin + a bit of ginger (for digestion and taste) + maybe a bit of fat of some kind (coconut oil, milk whatever).
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